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Subject: Re: SEE and cycles

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 10:13:45 05/02/02

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On May 02, 2002 at 12:36:13, Peter Fendrich wrote:

>Please don't try to solve these positions!
>They are only intended to illustrate difficulties with the static exchange
>evaluation (capture on e4).
>
>[D]1k6/1qp5/2b5/8/4P3/3Q4/8/3K4 b - -
>My SEE function,with the help of the XRay function, correctly evaluates that
>Bxe4 earns a pawn. The same function would detect that Bxe4 is no good if white
>had bishop at c2.
>
>There are two different situations that my SEE can't detect because I didn't
>like the extra cost to always try detect these rare cases.
>
>First, my Xray function doesn't care about Xrays through opposite colors.
>[D]1k6/1qp5/2b5/8/4P3/3Q4/2B5/1b1K4 b - -
>In this position my SEE wouldn't detect that Bxe4 earns a pawn. The XRay
>function doesn't care about the bishop at b1.
>Does your SEE functions try to solve that?

No... It isn't hard to do, but at present when I remove a piece from the
Swap() list, I only look for pieces of the same side behind it, which
breaks this.  However, I suspect this is so rare that it doesn't count...
And rather than Bxe4 you can always play BxB first, then after the queen
recaptures, Bxe4 wins the pawn outright...

>
>Secondly, my SEE doesn't try to evaluate where to start more than one piece of
>the same type can capture at the same time. i.e. two Pawns, Bishops, Rooks or
>Queens can capture at the same square.
>[D]1k6/1b6/1pq3q1/8/4P3/8/1K2Q3/Q3R3 b - -
>Here my SEE wouldn't know that Qc6xe4 is generally better than Qg6xe4. In the
>first case it opens up for the bishop to recapture the black queen. In the
>second case only the Q at c6 can recapture.
>With the same arguments as above I didn't try to solve the rare case when the
>same piece can capture.
>Does your SEE functions take care of this one?
>
>Peter

No and I don't think this one is important at all.  At least not important
enough to lose sleep over...



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