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Subject: Re: Are there any more Doubts? Rebel 10 Grandmaster Strength?

Author: Howard Exner

Date: 09:56:12 07/23/98

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On July 23, 1998 at 05:12:45, odell hall wrote:

>Are there any longer doubts that micro's have reached the Grandmaster Level? I
>hope the the so-called computer experts will not insult our intelligence and
>still deny that micros have reached this level. If not then please show me one
>international master in the world that could achieve the same results against
>annand in a match or for that matter grandmaster?

Bob Hyatt's post on Deep Thought made lots of sense a while back.
He said that they took 25 consecutive games played against humans
at standard time controls and rated it. This is what we humans do for ourselves
so what's good for the goose ...

In Rebel's case we should just tally up its last 25 games against humans
and gets its performance rating. Ditto for other programs that play against
humans.

Ed could do this. The events that come to mind are Anand (2),Dominican
Republic Tournament(5) and three Aegon events(18) ,so that is 25 games.
The time controls at Aegon were slightly slower so some may argue the
method and say the rating should be made a bit lower. But on the flip
side one could argue that the rating could be increased a bit to factor
in the slower hardware from three years ago. I think this applys
to Junior also, which has already a nice performance rating vs humans
at standard time despite older results on slower machines.

Is this "cherry picking" (ie:just choosing programs that have done well
vs humans and disregarding the rest)? Not at all because each program
since created by different individuals should have a unique status and
stand on their own. Take ICC for example. Ferret has a whopping 3000
(or something near that) rating (this of course at blitz which now
around 8min/game average due to the popularity of the increment
time controls). No one is suggesting that because
Ferret has this that all programs should have it. Its Ferret's rating
alone after thousands of games and no one elses. We often clump all
the programs together but perhaps we should just follow suit and do
as we treat ourselves in chess.

The different programmers no doubt have a record of their performance
ratings vs humans. They can share them ,as some already have in the past,
if they so choose. So Rebel does have a rating based on 25 consecutive games
of WXYZ as accurate as any human's rating after 25 games.





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