Author: Howard Exner
Date: 09:56:12 07/23/98
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On July 23, 1998 at 05:12:45, odell hall wrote: >Are there any longer doubts that micro's have reached the Grandmaster Level? I >hope the the so-called computer experts will not insult our intelligence and >still deny that micros have reached this level. If not then please show me one >international master in the world that could achieve the same results against >annand in a match or for that matter grandmaster? Bob Hyatt's post on Deep Thought made lots of sense a while back. He said that they took 25 consecutive games played against humans at standard time controls and rated it. This is what we humans do for ourselves so what's good for the goose ... In Rebel's case we should just tally up its last 25 games against humans and gets its performance rating. Ditto for other programs that play against humans. Ed could do this. The events that come to mind are Anand (2),Dominican Republic Tournament(5) and three Aegon events(18) ,so that is 25 games. The time controls at Aegon were slightly slower so some may argue the method and say the rating should be made a bit lower. But on the flip side one could argue that the rating could be increased a bit to factor in the slower hardware from three years ago. I think this applys to Junior also, which has already a nice performance rating vs humans at standard time despite older results on slower machines. Is this "cherry picking" (ie:just choosing programs that have done well vs humans and disregarding the rest)? Not at all because each program since created by different individuals should have a unique status and stand on their own. Take ICC for example. Ferret has a whopping 3000 (or something near that) rating (this of course at blitz which now around 8min/game average due to the popularity of the increment time controls). No one is suggesting that because Ferret has this that all programs should have it. Its Ferret's rating alone after thousands of games and no one elses. We often clump all the programs together but perhaps we should just follow suit and do as we treat ourselves in chess. The different programmers no doubt have a record of their performance ratings vs humans. They can share them ,as some already have in the past, if they so choose. So Rebel does have a rating based on 25 consecutive games of WXYZ as accurate as any human's rating after 25 games.
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