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Subject: Re: Won or lost?

Author: Ed Schröder

Date: 02:17:26 05/04/02

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On May 04, 2002 at 04:39:13, Manfred Rosenboom wrote:

>Hi Ed,
>
>>What do your engines say, especially those with table bases.
>
>This position seems to be lost.
>Here is the analysis of Yace 0.99.56 with all 3 and 4 men EGTBs installed:

Hi Manfred,

You are right, thanks. In the meantine Rebel also has seen that all moves lose.

My very best,

Ed



>Yace:
>D1  00:00  -1.79   Ne3xd5 Ke5xd5
>D1  00:00  -1.62   Ne3f5
>D2  00:00  -1.61   Ne3f5 h6h5
>D3  00:00  -1.64   Ne3f5 h6h5 Nf5d4
>D3+  00:00  -1.62   Kg3f2 Bd5e4
>D3  00:00  -1.54   Kg3f2 Ke5e4 Kf2e2
>D4  00:00  -1.57   Kg3f2 Ke5e4 Kf2e2 Ke4e5
>D5  00:00  -1.50   Kg3f2 Bd5f7 Kf2e2 h6h5 Ke2f3 h5xg4 Kf3xg4
>D5+  00:00  -1.46   Ne3xd5 Ke5xd5 Kg3f3 Kd5c5 Kf3e3 Kc5c6 Ke3f3
>D5  00:00  -1.39   Ne3xd5 Ke5xd5 Kg3f3 Kd5d6 Kf3e4 Kd6e6 Ke4d4
>D6  00:00  -1.24   Ne3xd5 Ke5xd5 Kg3f3 Kd5d6 Kf3e4 Kd6c5 Ke4e5 Kc5c6
>D7  00:00  -1.22   Ne3xd5 Ke5xd5 Kg3f3 Kd5d6 Kf3e4 Kd6c5 Ke4e5 Kc5c6 Ke5d4 Kc6b5
>Kd4d5
>D8+  00:00  -0.72   Ne3xd5 Ke5xd5 Kg3f3 Kd5d6 Kf3e4 Kd6c5 Ke4f5 Kc5d5 Kf5g6 h6h5
>g4xh5
>D8  00:00  -0.07   Ne3xd5 Ke5xd5 Kg3f3 Kd5d6 Kf3e4 Kd6c5 Ke4e3 Kc5c6 Ke3d4 Kc6d6
>Kd4e4 Kd6c5 Ke4e3 Kc5d6
>D9  00:00  -0.13   Ne3xd5 Ke5xd5 Kg3f3 Kd5d6 Kf3e4 Kd6e7 Ke4d4 Ke7e6 Kd4xc4
>Ke6e5 Kc4c5
>D10  00:00  -0.06   Ne3xd5 Ke5xd5 Kg3f3 Kd5e5 Kf3e3 Ke5f6 Ke3e4 Kf6g6 Ke4d4 h6h5
>g4xh5 Kg6xh5
>D11  00:00  -0.13   Ne3xd5 Ke5xd5 Kg3f3 Kd5e6 Kf3e4 Ke6f6 Ke4e3 Kf6f7 Ke3d4 h6h5
>g4xh5 Kf7g7 Kd4xc4 Kg7h7 h5h6 Kh7xh6 Kc4d4 Kh6h5 Kd4e4 g5g4
>D12  00:00  -0.51   Ne3xd5 Ke5xd5 Kg3f3 Kd5e6 Kf3e4 Ke6f6 Ke4e3 Kf6g6 Ke3d4 h6h5
>g4xh5 Kg6xh5 Kd4xc4 g5g4
>D13-  00:00  -0.91   Ne3xd5 Ke5xd5 Kg3f3 Kd5e6 Kf3e4 Ke6f6 Ke4d4 h6h5 g4xh5 g5g4
>Kd4xc4 g4g3 h5h6 g3g2 h6h7 Kf6g7 h7h8R g2g1Q Kc4d5
>D13  00:00  -1.03   Ne3xd5 Ke5xd5 Kg3f3 Kd5e6 Kf3e4 Ke6f6 Ke4e3 Kf6g6 Ke3d4 h6h5
>g4xh5 Kg6xh5 Kd4xc4 g5g4 Kc4d4 g4g3 Kd4e3 Kh5g4 c3c4 g3g2 Ke3f2
>D14-  00:00  -1.43   Ne3xd5 Ke5xd5 Kg3f3 Kd5e6 Kf3e4 Ke6f6 Ke4d4 h6h5 g4xh5 g5g4
>Kd4d5 g4g3 h5h6 g3g2 h6h7 Kf6g7 h7h8R g2g1Q Kd5xc4
>D14  00:00  -2.00   Ne3xd5 Ke5xd5 Kg3f3 Kd5e6 Kf3e4 Ke6f6 Ke4d4 h6h5 g4xh5 g5g4
>h5h6 Kf6g6 h6h7 Kg6xh7 Kd4e3 Kh7g6 Ke3f4 Kg6h5 Kf4g3 Kh5g5
>D15  00:01  -2.12   Ne3xd5 Ke5xd5 Kg3f3 Kd5e6 Kf3e4 Ke6f6 Ke4d4 h6h5 g4xh5 g5g4
>h5h6 Kf6g6 h6h7 Kg6xh7 Kd4e3 Kh7g6 Ke3f4 Kg6h5 Kf4g3 Kh5g5 Kg3h2
>D16  00:01  -2.40   Ne3xd5 Ke5xd5 Kg3f3 Kd5e6 Kf3e4 Ke6f6 Ke4d4 h6h5 g4xh5 g5g4
>h5h6 Kf6g6 h6h7 Kg6xh7 Kd4e3 Kh7g6 Ke3f4 Kg6h5 Kf4g3 Kh5g5 Kg3g2 Kg5f4 Kg2f2
>g4g3 Kf2g1 Kf4e4 Kg1g2 Ke4d3
>D16+  00:02  -2.39   Kg3f2 Ke5e4
>D16-  00:02  -2.40   Kg3f2 Ke5e4 Ne3xd5 Ke4xd5 Kf2f3 Kd5e6 Kf3e4 Ke6f6 Ke4d4
>h6h5 g4xh5 g5g4 h5h6 Kf6g6 h6h7 Kg6xh7 Kd4e3 Kh7g6 Ke3f4 Kg6h5 Kf4g3 Kh5g5 Kg3g2
>Kg5f4 Kg2f2 g4g3 Kf2g1 Kf4e4 Kg1g2 Ke4d3
>D16  00:03  -2.40   Ne3xd5 Ke5xd5 Kg3f3 Kd5e6 Kf3e4 Ke6f6 Ke4d4 h6h5 g4xh5 g5g4
>h5h6 Kf6g6 h6h7 Kg6xh7 Kd4e3 Kh7g6 Ke3f4 Kg6h5 Kf4g3 Kh5g5 Kg3g2 Kg5f4 Kg2f2
>g4g3 Kf2g1 Kf4e4 Kg1g2 Ke4d3
>D17  00:05  -2.23   Ne3xd5 Ke5xd5 Kg3f3 Kd5e6 Kf3e4 Ke6f6 Ke4d4 h6h5 g4xh5 g5g4
>h5h6 Kf6g6 h6h7 Kg6xh7 Kd4e3 Kh7g6 Ke3f4 Kg6h5 Kf4e3 Kh5h4 Ke3f2 g4g3 Kf2g2
>Kh4g4 Kg2f1 Kg4f4 Kf1e2 Kf4g4 Ke2f1 Kg4f4 Kf1e2 Kf4g4 Ke2f1
>D18  00:05  -2.48   Ne3xd5 Ke5xd5 Kg3f3 Kd5e6 Kf3e4 Ke6f6 Ke4d4 h6h5 g4xh5 g5g4
>h5h6 Kf6g6 h6h7 Kg6xh7 Kd4e3 Kh7g6 Ke3f4 Kg6h5 Kf4e3 Kh5h4 Ke3f2 g4g3 Kf2g2
>D18+  00:07  -2.47   Kg3f2 Ke5e4
>D18-  00:08  -2.48   Kg3f2 Ke5e4 Ne3xd5 Ke4xd5 Kf2f3 Kd5e6 Kf3e4 Ke6f6 Ke4d4
>h6h5 g4xh5 g5g4 h5h6 Kf6g6 h6h7 Kg6xh7 Kd4e3 Kh7g6 Ke3f4 Kg6h5 Kf4e3 Kh5g6 Ke3f4
>Kg6h5 Kf4e3 Kh5g6
>D18  00:10  -2.48   Ne3xd5 Ke5xd5 Kg3f3 Kd5e6 Kf3e4 Ke6f6 Ke4d4 h6h5 g4xh5 g5g4
>h5h6 Kf6g6 h6h7 Kg6xh7 Kd4e3 Kh7g6 Ke3f4 Kg6h5 Kf4e3 Kh5h4 Ke3f2 g4g3 Kf2g2
>D19-  00:10  -2.88   Ne3xd5 Ke5xd5 Kg3f3 Kd5e6 Kf3e4 Ke6f6 Ke4d4 h6h5 g4xh5 g5g4
>Kd4xc4 g4g3 h5h6 g3g2 Kc4c5
>D19  00:10  -3.85   Ne3xd5 Ke5xd5 Kg3f3 Kd5e6 Kf3e4 Ke6f6 Ke4d4 h6h5 g4xh5 g5g4
>Kd4d5 g4g3 h5h6 g3g2 h6h7 Kf6g7 Kd5e4
>D19+  00:11  -3.84   Kg3f2 Ke5e4
>D19  00:18  -3.50   Kg3f2 Ke5e4 Ne3f5 Ke4d3 Nf5e3 Bd5e6 Kf2f3 Kd3xc3 Kf3e4 Be6f7
>Ke4e5 Kc3d3 Ne3d1 c4c3 Nd1f2 Kd3e2 Nf2e4 c3c2 Ne4c3 Ke2d3
>D19+  00:24  -3.49   Ne3c2 Ke5e4
>D19-  00:24  -3.50   Ne3c2 Ke5e4 Nc2b4 Bd5b7 Kg3f2 Ke4f4 Kf2e2
>D19  00:24  -3.50   Kg3f2 Ke5e4 Ne3f5 Ke4d3 Nf5e3 Bd5e6 Kf2f3 Kd3xc3 Kf3e4 Be6f7
>Ke4e5 Kc3d3 Ne3d1 c4c3 Nd1f2 Kd3e2 Nf2e4 c3c2 Ne4c3 Ke2d3
>D19+  00:26  -3.49   Ne3d1 Ke5e4 Nd1b2 Ke4e3 Nb2a4 Ke3d2 Kg3f2 Bd5c6 Na4c5
>Kd2xc3 Kf2e3 Kc3c2
>D19  00:28  -3.48   Ne3d1 Ke5e4 Nd1b2 Ke4e3 Nb2a4 Ke3d3 Kg3f2
>D20  00:41  -3.35   Ne3d1 Ke5e4 Nd1b2 Bd5e6 Nb2a4 Ke4e3
>D21-  00:50  -3.75   Ne3d1 Ke5e4 Nd1b2 Ke4e3 Nb2a4 Ke3d3 Kg3f2 Bd5c6 Na4c5
>Kd3xc3 Kf2g3 Kc3d2 Kg3f2
>D21  00:53  -3.75   Ne3d1 Ke5e4
>D21+  00:59  -3.74   Kg3f2 Ke5e4
>D21  01:18  -3.71   Kg3f2 Ke5e4 Kf2e2 Bd5e6 Ke2d2 Ke4f4 Ne3g2 Kf4xg4 Kd2e3 Be6d5
>Ng2e1 h6h5 Ne1c2 h5h4 Ke3d4 Kg4f4 Nc2e3 Bd5e6 Ne3g2 Kf4g3 Ng2e3 g5g4 Kd4e5
>D22  01:54  -3.75   Kg3f2 Ke5e4 Kf2e2 Bd5e6 Ke2d2 Ke4f4 Kd2e2 Be6xg4 Ke2f2 Bg4e6
>Ne3c2 h6h5 Nc2d4 Be6f5 Nd4e2 Kf4e5
>D23  03:14  -3.82   Kg3f2 Ke5e4 Kf2e2 Bd5e6 Ke2d2 Ke4f4 Kd2e2 Be6xg4 Ke2f2 Bg4e6
>Ne3c2 h6h5 Nc2d4 Be6f5 Nd4e2 Kf4e5 Ne2d4 h5h4 Nd4f3 Ke5f4 Nf3d4 g5g4 Kf2g2 Bf5e4
>Kg2f2
>D24  05:27  -3.93   Kg3f2 Ke5e4 Kf2e2 Bd5e6 Ke2d2 Ke4f4 Kd2e2 Be6xg4 Ke2f2 Bg4e6
>Ne3c2 g5g4 Nc2d4 g4g3 Kf2g2 Be6g4 Nd4b5 h6h5 Nb5c7 Bg4f3 Kg2h3 g3g2 Kh3h2 h5h4
>Nc7e6
>D25  07:14  -3.95   Kg3f2 Ke5e4 Kf2e2 Bd5e6 Ke2d2 Ke4f4 Kd2e2 Be6xg4 Ke2f2 Bg4e6
>Ne3c2 h6h5 Nc2d4 Be6f7 Nd4e2 Kf4e4 Ne2d4 h5h4 Nd4f3 Ke4f4 Nf3g1 Bf7e6 Ng1e2



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