Author: jerry young
Date: 11:27:51 05/04/02
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On May 04, 2002 at 12:32:48, K. Burcham wrote: > > >1. program A is down a point with last book move, has stronger search and beats >program B. > >2. program A is up a point with last book move, has stronger search and beats >program B. > >3. program A is down a point with last book move, has weaker search and losses >to program B. > >4. program A is up a point with last book move, has weaker search and beats >program B. > > >I know it must be lots of work to have a good book for programs. >If program C shows up in last four tournaments with inferior book, >and losses most games due to book, then we cannot know strength of search for >program C in tournaments. >Knowing and studying opening theory, has always been a big part of chess. That is a big duh.. for years , some have asked pertaining to the program strength comparisions, why there is no set testing programs vs each other at set times with nobook, or from neutral positions. > >In comp-comp tournaments, I would prefer to compare search methods with equal >hardware, and starting from a "neutral position out of book". >This way we are comparing search methods, time control, and eval between each >program. > >Also it would seem that anyone that thinks they have created a comp "Book", >for a program---I dont think you have. >You have consulted 1000's of GM game openings, to put your book together. >I am not saying that you havent worked your a__ off in what you think would make >this a better book. I am saying, tell me the date you finished your book, >and I will go back and search all your openings, and compare your book opening >dates to previous dates all these openings have been played by humans. >It would seem to me that the only opening lines you can take ownership of, would >be a variation that you can prove has never been played. > >And to follow up this last point---if a GM studies his a__ off and finds a new >opening line or variation that has never been played, uses this line, gains >advantage, and mates Kasparov,,,this line will be studied and played from then >on, will be in everyones book. if a GM that put in time to find a new variation, >and proves it will work, he cannot protect his own creation once it is exposed >in tournament play. it will take on his name, but that is it. > >how many actual lines have the program book authors actually created from >scratch, that are not in any opening database, or have not been played by a GM? > >I like the idea, about putting in code that will allow another program to play >an inferior line, but wont allow your program to play the same inferior line. >this will protect the book that you have tuned for comp-comp play using someone >elses opening theory. > >kburcham
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