Author: Jeroen van Dorp
Date: 12:28:00 05/04/02
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>information I want to have included. Why change PGN when it is not broken? It has been changed not because it's broken, but because it didn't serve purposes enough who are now very common. Yiou can see that in the revision text. My point (this discussion now takes place on two places here :)) is that it might be readable for humans, but the biggest advantage was for computers. If I copy a game here in plain text: Kasparov Turbo S-24k - Pocket ChessPartner v1.0 [A40] 29.04.2002 1.d4 e6 2.e4 b6 3.Ne2 Nf6 4.Bg5 Be7 5.Nd2 Bb7 6.f3 a5 7.e5 Nd5 8.Bxe7 Qxe7 9.c4 Ne3 10.Qb3 Qg5 11.g3 0-0 12.Ne4 Bxe4 13.fxe4 Nc6 14.Bh3 a4 15.Qd3 Nb4 16.Qc3 Nbc2+ 17.Kf2 Nxa1 18.Qxe3 Qxe3+ 19.Kxe3 a3 20.Rxa1 axb2 21.Rb1 Rxa2 22.Nc3 Ra3 23.Kd2 f6 24.exf6 Rxf6 25.Rxb2 Rf2+ 26.Ne2 Rxh2 27.Bg4 Rxg3 28.Bh5 g6 29.Kc1 Ra3 30.Bxg6 Rh1+ 31.Kc2 hxg6 32.c5 Re3 33.Nc3 bxc5 34.Rb8+ Kf7 35.dxc5 Rh2+ 36.Kb3 Rhh3 37.Ra8 Rxc3+ 38.Kb4 Rce3 39.e5 Re4+ 40.Ka5 Ra3+ 41.Kb5 Rxa8 42.c6 Rb8+ 43.Kc5 Rbb4 44.cxd7 Rec4# 0-1 ...you'll get an excellent human readability. Without all the weird tags like $11, $21, $18 used in PGN so far. Yet most people shout: PGN please! Not because they're better able to read Na4$11 but because they can cut and paste the game including all relevant data into all their computer programs. I disagree, not because I think human readability should be neglected totally, but because the standard - the new as well as the old - despite what is formulate in the preambule of the standard, is *mainly* made for computer exchange. And we even didn't discuss a part of the PGN standard like r7/2pp1k2/4p1p1/1KP1P3/4r3/8/8/8 w - - 0 42; whoever is complaining here about readability. In a short time everyone will be accustomed to the new format. It caters recent needs. If it were for human readability I know some better changes :) All the best, J.
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