Author: Roy Eassa
Date: 07:26:01 05/09/02
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Mike, You've explained it extremely well and I agree 100% with your wishes and preferences in this area. On May 08, 2002 at 21:14:41, Mike S. wrote: >On May 08, 2002 at 16:19:48, John Merlino wrote: > >>(...) > >>Sorry, I'm not familiar with the "flow text notation" term. >>Could you explain it further? > >Flow text notation is probably not the correct english translation (actually I'm >not even sure if the german word which I use for that, Fließnotation, is correct >:o). > >But what I mean are these two types to *display* a move list (of a game which >has variantions in it): > >Most chess programs show it like that (method A): > >1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Bb4 4.e5 c5 5.a3 Bxc3+ 6.bxc3 Ne7 7.Nf3 Nbc6 8.h4 0-0 >9.Bd3 c4 10.Bxh7+ Kxh7 11.Ng5+ Kg8 12.Qh5 Re8 13.Qxf7+ [13.Qh7+ Kf8 14.Qh8+ Ng8 >15.Nh7+ Ke7 16.Bg5+ Nf6 17.Qxg7] 13...Kh8 14.Qh5+ Kg8 15.Rh3 [15.a4!] 15...Nf5 >16.Rf3 Nxe5 17.dxe5 Qd7 18.Qh7+ [18.a4!] 18...Kf8 19.g4 Qc7 20.a4 Qxe5+ 21.Kf1 >Rd8 22.Ba3+ Ke8 23.gxf5 Kd7 24.Re1 Qh2 25.Qxg7+ Kc6 26.Qe7 Rd6 27.Qe8+ Kc7 >28.Nxe6+ Kb8 29.Rg3 Rxe6 30.Rxe6 Qxg3 31.fxg3 a5 32.Bd6+ Ka7 33.Qb5 b6 34.Re7+ >Bb7 35.Bc7 Rh8 36.Qxb6+ Ka8 37.Qxa5+ Ba6 38.Qxa6# 1-0 > >All moves visible, clickable, easy maneuvring to every position of the game >*and* it's variations (and sub-variations if there are any). > >Chessmaster has that display in the Database part, but not in the Game Room. >There, it is limited to the old-style 2 columns display. Variations are not >directly visible, but must be chosen from sort of drop down lists from all the >move which have variations (method B): > >1.e4 e6 >2.d4 d5 >3.Nc3 Bb4 >4.e5 c5 >5.a3 Bxc3+ >6.bxc3 Ne7 >7.Nf3 Nbc6 >8.h4 0-0 >9.Bd3 c4 >10.Bxh7+ Kxh7 >11.Ng5+ Kg8 >12.Qh5 Re8 >13.Qxf7+ (*) Kh8 >14.Qh5+ Kg8 >15.Rh3 (*)Nf5 >16.Rf3 Nxe5 >17.dxe5 Qd7 >18.Qh7+ (*)Kf8 >19.g4 Qc7 >20.a4 Qxe5+ >21.Kf1 Rd8 >22.Ba3+ Ke8 >23.gxf5 Kd7 >24.Re1 Qh2 >25.Qxg7+ Kc6 >26.Qe7 Rd6 >27.Qe8+ Kc7 >28.Nxe6+ Kb8 >29.Rg3 Rxe6 >30.Rxe6 Qxg3 >31.fxg3 a5 >32.Bd6+ Ka7 >33.Qb5 b6 >34.Re7+ Bb7 >35.Bc7 Rh8 >36.Qxb6+ Ka8 >37.Qxa5+ Ba6 >38.Qxa6# 1-0 > >(*) Variations (currently invisible :o) > >The second way may be useful for beginners, but the other method provides much >better usability IMO, i.e. in analysis mode. Switching from and to the Database >Room doesn't provide that, because a user wants to browse through the game >quickly, jump around in the notation, and have engine calculation output at the >same time, for whatever position he navigates to. > >(I hope that "a user" is not only me, IOW. one person :o) > >I'm sure all the other manufacturers have a reason while they chose method A to >display a game. Recommended for Chessmaster too. It's just better. For >beginners, method B could be kept as an option probably. > >Another point was mentioned in the CSS forum: The Tasc Board support. Is there a >chance that this could be re-issued, including WinXP? > >With these 2 points, Chessmaster maybe perfect. Nearly. Of course, Auto232 >support should be considered... I'm sure I find one or two other things to >complain about :o). Like UCI support, for example. > >But I wouldn't care if Chessmaster was just a mediocre program. It's more about >being 95% perfect and demanding that it should be 98% perfect... > >Regards, >M.Scheidl
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