Author: K. Burcham
Date: 08:38:07 05/11/02
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Chess Tiger 14.0 vs GM Kiriakov 2552 FIDE
First move not in Tiger book, played by GM, 8...e5
only move I made was 9.dxe5.
Tiger wanted to play 9.d5, which helps to close position.
[D] r1b1k2r/ppp1qppp/2np1n2/4p3/2PP4/P4NP1/1P1QPPBP/RN2K2R w KQkq - 0 1
It seems pawn exchanges early helps prevent closed positions.
9.dxe5 dxe5 opened the d file.
Tiger takes advantage of open d file, plays 11.Nd5, which offers
knight exchange, and allows 16.cxd5 advancing the white pawn on open file.
[D] r2q1rk1/ppp2pp1/2n4p/3Pp3/8/P3QPP1/1P3PBP/R2R2K1 b - - 0 1
This same d5 pawn allows 24.Re6, with pawn protecting rook, if black
decides to exchange.
[D] r2q2k1/1pp2rp1/3nR2p/p2P1p2/8/P1Q2PPB/1P3P1P/2R3K1 b - - 0 1
not sure why Tiger played 34.Kf1, maybe 34.Bd3 or 34.Ba4 is stronger.
very satisfied with Chess Tiger time control, compared to other programs.
esp. Deep Shredder. Deep Shredder (sometimes) will not use time in long games.
I want a program that uses more time with first moves out of book, and also uses
more time if opponent starts using more time. I noticed some programs if eval
is + will move very fast at shallow depth. then when it is too late and eval is
dropping, same program will use up clock. this is not good in long standard
games.
looking forward to release of Ed's program for windows. when I purchase, I will
set up match using new program.
Robert said to interfere with program makes results have no meaning. I
understand why he said this. also Chris said he is only interested in games
where operator does not interfere. I understand why Chris said this. this game
is an example that if code were in program to exchange pawns early, the same
program would have won this game without operator interference, using same
lines.
all these human vs program results we can learn from. They may not have meaning
to some but they do to me. I enjoy very much to take program and try to see why
moves were made, or why win or loss by program.
GM plays 50...Nc4 hoping to pin whites queen. but his comment "pure program
move" makes me think he did not see the line. program lets GM pin Queen
to win rook and advance pawn to a file for Queen.
[D] 5r2/R2B2pk/1p1nP2p/5p2/1P1q1P2/5PP1/2Q4P/5K2 b - - 6 1
after 55...Qf1 tiger says mate in 5
[D] 5Q2/R2B2pk/1p5p/5p2/1P3P2/5PP1/2n4P/2K2q2 w - - 0 1
[Event "ICC 90 30"]
[Site "Internet Chess Club"]
[Date "2002.05.10"]
[Round "4"]
[White "xracer"]
[Black "Petrovich"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ICCResult "Black resigns"]
[WhiteElo "2606"]
[BlackElo "2483"]
[Opening "Bogo-Indian defense, Nimzovich variation"]
[ECO "E11"]
[NIC "QI.01"]
[Time "22:10:01"]
[TimeControl "5400+30"]
1. d4 e6 2. c4 Nf6 3. Nf3 Bb4+ 4. Bd2 Qe7 5. g3 Nc6 6. a3 Bxd2+ 7. Qxd2 d6
8. Bg2 e5 9. dxe5 dxe5 10. Nc3 O-O 11. Nd5 Qd8 12. O-O h6 13. Rfd1 Bg4 14.
Qe3 Bxf3 15. exf3 Nxd5 16. cxd5 Nd4 17. Qxe5 Nb5 18. Bf1 Nd6 19. Rac1 Re8
20. Qc3 Re7 21. Bh3 a5 22. Rd3 f5 23. Re3 Rf7 24. Re6 Qd7 25. Bf1 b6 26.
Rce1 Raf8 27. Bd3 Qd8 28. f4 Rf6 29. f3 R6f7 30. Rc1 Re8 31. Qe5 Ref8 32.
Rc6 Rd7 33. Bc2 Rdf7 34. Kf1 Rd7 35. Bb3 Kh7 36. Ba4 Rdf7 37. Rc1 Kg8 38.
Bc6 Kh7 39. b4 axb4 40. axb4 Rf6 41. Ra1 Rxe6 42. dxe6 Qe7 43. Ra7 Rf6 44.
Bd7 Qd8 45. Qe1 Qb8 46. Qa1 Qd8 47. Qa4 Rf8 48. Qc6 Qf6 49. Qxc7 Qd4 50. Qc2
Nc4 51. e7 Ne3+ 52. Ke2 Nxc2 53. exf8=Q Qe3+ 54. Kd1 Qd3+ 55. Kc1 Qf1+ 56.
Kb2 {Black resigns} 1-0
Petrovich(GM) kibitzes: hi
xracer(C) kibitzes: hello and good luck
Petrovich(GM) kibitzes: i'd like closed position :)
xracer(C) kibitzes: yes I know, I need open file
cmslim(C) kibitzes: what's the score of the match so far?
Petrovich(GM) kibitzes: :(
Petrovich(GM) kibitzes: 3-4
Petrovich(GM) kibitzes: hopeless :(
Petrovich(GM) kibitzes: nice plan b2-b4 and Bb5-c6 Ra1->a8
Petrovich(GM) kibitzes: comp is really good
xracer(C) kibitzes: after b4 didnt think you would play 39...axb4. opens a
file
Petrovich(GM) kibitzes: otherwise bxa5
Petrovich(GM) kibitzes: pawn a5 becomes dead
Petrovich(GM) kibitzes: pure comp move:)
Petrovich(GM) kibitzes: Ne3 + doesnot matter
Petrovich(GM) kibitzes: Nd4 Qxg7 :)
{Game 172 (xracer vs. Petrovich) Petrovich resigns} 1-0
Black resigns
Standard rating adjustment: 2594 --> 2606
Petrovich(GM) tells you: it was not my best match :)
Petrovich(GM) tells you: well, at least i won 1 game in a row:)
/tell petrovich some errors this game
(told Petrovich)
.Qf1=mate in 5
(told Petrovich)
Petrovich(GM) tells you: there was no escape
.at least not a closed opening for me
(told Petrovich)
Petrovich(GM) tells you: comp cant play without open files:)
.9.dxe5 opened file
(told Petrovich)
.8.e5 was not in my book
Petrovich(GM) tells you: e5 was too early
.8...a5 only move in book
(told Petrovich)
.you moved fast for long game----another game with over 50 minutes on clock for
you
(told Petrovich)
Petrovich(GM) tells you: yes,, i played fast and badly
Petrovich(GM) tells you: sorry
.i want to tell you what would be my best game from you
(told Petrovich)
.you play at a very high level 2600, program plays a very good game 2600, but
program loses in open position
(told Petrovich)
.very open position, with loss for program is very good for program study
(told Petrovich, who has been idle for 2 minutes)
.these games we study very much
(told Petrovich, who has been idle for 2 minutes)
Petrovich(GM) tells you: hm
Petrovich(GM) tells you: i won a few games with positional sacrifices
Petrovich(GM) tells you: vs. Crafty
.yes those are very good study games
(told Petrovich)
Petrovich(GM) tells you: sometimes programs make mistakes in long variants which
leads to pawn endings
.yes i know
(told Petrovich)
.and the eval will not show until too late, program cannot see when it is lost
with pawn endgame sometime
(told Petrovich)
Petrovich(GM) tells you: we can continue our co-operation
Petrovich(GM) tells you: do u want just improve your engine? what's your goal?
.my goal is to collect GM vs program games, played at a high level, no blunders.
to learn what programs need to improve strength against humans
(told Petrovich)
kburcham
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