Author: Vine Smith
Date: 05:42:23 05/12/02
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On May 12, 2002 at 05:42:33, Peter Berger wrote:
>On May 11, 2002 at 20:55:12, Vine Smith wrote:
>
>>On May 11, 2002 at 17:55:28, Fernando Villegas wrote:
>>
>>>After some games against H8 and looking what other people here has found in
>>>Comp-Comp games, it seems -IT SEEMS- H8 is a sad disapppointment. In my last
>>>game against him he even chose, with white, such an inferior openning as
>>>Ponziani, slow enough to let black an easy and fast equal game. I wonder if we
>>>have here one of these problems, or perhaps several at the same time:
>>>A) a book with inferior lines you should not have in any decent book as a
>>>"regular" book, but at most as curiosity for an special call.
>>>B) a not so good engine, broken somewere
>>>C) a bug
>>>D) sheer bad luck to he moment
>>>
>>>But I guess a patch will come soon...
>>>fernando
>>
>>Is the Ponziani really that bad? I play it sometimes myself. Then again, I'm not
>>such a good player. But perhaps it was just Hiarcs' particular line in the
>>Ponziani which was faulty, which wouldn't surprise me given some of the other
>>moves from its opening book that I've seen posted here (I still can't believe
>>its 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Bc4? -- was it a typo entered into the book by
>>accident during a rush to get the product on the market?).
>>
>>Regards,
>>Vine Smith
>
>I kind of like 4. Bc4 but I agree that the Hiarcs book though very interesting
>seems to have quite a few holes.
>
>Look at this one:
>
>[Event "60 10"]
>[Site "?"]
>[Date "2002.05.12"]
>[Round "?"]
>[White "Nimzo 2000b"]
>[Black "Hiarcs 8"]
>[Result "1-0"]
>[ECO "C47"]
>[Annotator "PIII1200-Athlon1333,Ponder=On"]
>[PlyCount "37"]
>[TimeControl "3600+10"]
>
>{288MB, Hiarcs8.ctg, PIII1200
>} 1. e4 {[%emt 0:00:00]} e5 {[%emt 0:00:00]} 2.
>Nf3 {[%emt 0:00:06]} Nc6 {[%emt 0:00:00]} 3. Nc3 {(Lb5) [%emt 0:00:03]} Nf6 {
>[%emt 0:00:00]} 4. d4 {[%emt 0:00:04]} exd4 {[%emt 0:00:00]} 5. Nd5 {
>(Sxd4) [%emt 0:00:03]} Nxe4 {[%emt 0:00:00]} 6. Qe2 {[%emt 0:00:04]} f5 {
>[%emt 0:00:00]} 7. Ng5 {[%emt 0:00:04]} d3 {[%emt 0:00:00]} 8. cxd3 {
>[%emt 0:00:04]} Nd4 {[%emt 0:00:00]} 9. Qh5+ {[%emt 0:00:04]} g6 {
>[%emt 0:00:00]} 10. Qh4 {[%emt 0:00:03]} c6 {[%emt 0:00:00]} 11. dxe4 {
>[%emt 0:00:04]} cxd5 {[%emt 0:00:00]} 12. exd5 {[%emt 0:00:03]} Nc2+ {
>[%emt 0:00:00]} 13. Kd1 {[%emt 0:00:03]} Nxa1 {[%emt 0:00:00]} 14. Qd4 {
>[%emt 0:00:03]} Rg8 {[%emt 0:00:00]} 15. d6 {[%emt 0:00:04]} Bxd6 {
>[%eval 186,13] [%emt 0:29:41]} 16. Qxd6 {[%emt 0:00:05]} Qe7 {
>[%eval 191,12] [%emt 0:01:10]} 17. Qd5 {(Lf4) [%emt 0:00:05]} Rf8 {
>[%eval 565,13] [%emt 0:11:30]} 18. Bb5 {[%emt 0:00:38]} Nc2 {
>[%eval 562,12] [%emt 0:00:16]} 19. Kxc2 {[%emt 0:00:06]} 1-0
>
>Regards,
>Peter
Ugh! So they included the whole line, but didn't mark it as "don't play" or
something? Maybe they just left all guidelines out, so we'll eventually see
games where Hiarcs willingly falls into each and every opening trap known,
demonstrating enormous but useless erudition, or essaying the Grob, and even
1.a4?
Well, I never suggested Black was any better than equal after the 4.Bc4 Lopez
line, but is this something you'd actually like to see your program play in a
tournament? If Hiarcs wants to play the Two Knights or Giuoco Piano, why doesn't
it just play 3.Bc4 instead?
Is it possible for Hiarcs to use other Chessbase programs' books? That would
seem to be the quickest "patch" for this problem, since many owners probably
possess Fritz and/or others.
Regards,
Vine
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