Author: Jorge Pichard
Date: 04:52:19 05/13/02
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On May 13, 2002 at 05:51:24, Jorge Pichard wrote: >On May 12, 2002 at 23:04:58, Terry McCracken wrote: > >>On May 12, 2002 at 22:50:05, Terry McCracken wrote: >> >>>On May 12, 2002 at 22:21:41, Jorge Pichard wrote: >>> >>>>I started a long long time control match of approximately 4 minutes per move and >>>>HIARCS 8 is winning 2 games and ZERO lost so far, against one of the very best >>>>program available Fritz 7. It seems to me that HIARCS 8 is an excellent program >>>>at longer time control and could also be used wisely in correspondence. >>>> >>>>PS: Once the newer Pentium 3.0 Ghz becomes available this program will be among >>>>the very best available , and that could be in another 6 six months. >>>> >>>> >>>>Pichard. >>> >>>This is my theory, but no one buys it! It's "Common Sense" IMO. Regardless how >>>fast a programme may be it will hit a "Wall" with iterative deepening as the >>>tree grows larger exponentially. So Hiarcs will catch up over time, regardless >>>of it's slow node count (slowest I've Seen) and lower iterations in fast games. >>> >>>Time will tell;) > > >> >>2-0 is not a significant result. >> >>I do not believe that hiarcs is better at longer time control. >> >>It is possible that programs that have better positional understanding are going >>to get better results at slower time control(I do not know) but Hiarcs has not >>better positional understanding based on other posts. >> >>There are positions when it may be better than other programs but there are also >>positions when it may be worse than other programs. >> >>Uri > > >If it was based on position then it would have lost the second game, since it is >the same opening but with the black pieces. > > > >Hiarcs 8 (2700) - Fritz 7 (2715) [E86] >Athlon 1.2 Ghz, 120'/30+120'/30+30' My Place (1), 12.05.2002 > >W=13.2 ply; 125kN/s >B=14.9 ply; 686kN/s > 1.d4 ¤f6 2.c4 g6 3.¤c3 ¥g7 4.e4 d6 5.f3 0-0 6.¥e3 e5 7.¤ge2 c6 8.£d2 ¤bd7 >9.0-0-0 a6 10.¢b1 b5 11.¤c1 White last book move 11...£e7 12.dxe5 0.96/13 9:27 > dxe5 Black last book move 13.¤b3 0.96/13 8:26 £b4 0.56/14 7:41 14.£d6 >1.08/12 5:16 £xd6 0.75/16 6:30 15.¦xd6 1.08/13 3:26 b4 (¤b8) 0.81/16 >7:43 16.¤a4 1.40/14 6:06 ¤e8 1.09/17 12:25 17.¦d2 1.48/13 4:21 f5 >1.16/16 9:03 18.¤a5 (¥d3) 1.53/13 6:22 18...fxe4 0.78/15 5:31 19.¤xc6 >1.59/12 3:00 ¤ef6 0.81/14 4:40 20.c5 (¤xb4) 1.77/12 6:41 20...exf3 (¢h8) > 1.00/14 4:53 21.gxf3 1.84/12 5:40 ¥b7 (b3) 1.25/15 10:57 22.¤e7+ >3.36/13 6:47 ¢f7 2.00/16 5:16 23.c6 3.40/13 5:05 ¢xe7 2.41/14 5:41 >24.cxb7 4.15/13 5:29 ¦ab8 (¦ad8) 2.84/14 5:31 25.¥xa6 4.14/13 5:28 e4 >(b3) 3.41/14 24:04 26.¥f4 5.35/12 7:13 ¢e6 (b3) 3.34/12 1:49 27.¥xb8 >5.53/11 6:28 ¦xb8 3.50/14 1:38 28.fxe4 5.52/13 6:37 ¥h6 3.81/14 1:36 >29.¦d4 5.63/14 8:58 b3 3.84/14 1:54 30.axb3 (¦hd1) 5.78/13 4:29 >30...¥f4 3.34/13 1:36 31.h3 5.85/13 3:39 ¢e7 (¥e3) 3.53/14 3:24 32.¦c4 >5.97/13 4:10 ¥e5 (g5) 3.84/15 8:10 33.¦d1 6.17/13 3:07 ¥f4 (g5) 4.44/14 > 4:27 34.¤c3 6.65/13 3:42 h5 (¥e5) 4.94/13 2:50 35.¦c8 7.58/12 3:22 >¢e6 (g5) 5.37/13 3:23 36.¤b5 8.57/12 2:26 ¢e5 5.66/12 3:02 37.¤a7 (¦e1) > 9.91/13 3:36 37...¢xe4 6.37/14 16:52 38.¤c6 10.05/12 2:31 ¥h2 (¢f5) >7.69/13 14:31 39.¤xb8 13.70/12 3:44 ¤xb8 8.97/14 2:26 40.¥d3+ 13.97/12 >3:22 ¢f3 9.44/14 3:15 41.¥xg6 14.41/12 3:24 ¤fd7 (¥e5) 11.91/14 8:52 >1-0 > > > > >Fritz 7 (2700) - Hiarcs 8 (2690) [E86] >Athlon 1.2 Ghz, 120'/30+120'/30+30' My Place (2), 12.05.2002 > >W=15.4 ply; 694kN/s >B=12.9 ply; 125kN/s > 1.d4 ¤f6 2.c4 g6 3.¤c3 ¥g7 4.e4 d6 5.f3 0-0 6.¥e3 e5 7.¤ge2 c6 8.£d2 ¤bd7 >9.0-0-0 a6 10.¢b1 b5 11.¤c1 White last book move 11...exd4 12.¥xd4 ¦e8 13.¤b3 >¥f8 14.h4 b4 15.¤e2 a5 16.h5 c5 17.¥e3 a4 18.¤bc1 ¤xh5 19.¥g5 ¥e7 20.¥xe7 £xe7 >21.g4 ¥b7 -0.65/13 17:59 22.gxh5 0.88/16 17:54 ¥xe4+ -0.54/13 10:34 >23.fxe4 1.03/16 16:07 £xe4+ -0.52/13 11:05 24.¤d3 0.91/16 15:32 £xh1 >-0.44/13 31:38 25.¤ef4 0.91/14 4:45 £h4 -0.38/12 9:16 26.¥g2 0.97/13 >2:04 ¦ac8 (¦a6) -0.33/12 9:03 27.hxg6 1.28/13 3:33 hxg6 -0.02/12 17:44 >28.¦h1 1.03/13 2:31 £f6 (£g3) 0.28/13 8:57 29.¥b7 (¥h3) 1.56/14 3:28 >29...¦cd8 (¦b8) 0.00/12 2:14 30.¥c6 (£h2) 1.53/14 3:18 30...a3 (¤b6) >0.00/11 2:00 31.b3 (£h2) 1.81/14 3:50 31...£g7 0.17/12 4:57 32.£g2 (£f2) > 1.84/14 4:20 32...¢f8 (¦f8) 0.34/12 5:58 33.£g5 (¤d5) 1.94/13 3:09 >33...¢g8 0.16/12 12:52 34.¦h2 (¦g1) 1.75/13 2:53 34...£f6 0.04/11 2:45 >35.£h6 1.84/14 3:03 £g7 0.17/12 3:51 36.£h3 (£h4) 1.84/15 2:26 36...¦e7 > 0.02/12 1:56 37.¤d5 (¤h5) 1.72/15 5:19 37...¦e6 0.00/11 1:00 38.¤c7 >(¤5f4) 1.72/15 3:59 38...¦e7 0.00/13 2:55 39.¥xd7 (¤d5) 1.66/15 3:27 >39...¦exd7 0.00/14 3:49 40.¤d5 1.66/16 6:02 £d4 (f5) 0.00/12 2:27 >41.¦h1 (£h7+) 1.72/14 2:45 41...¢f8 (f5) 0.10/13 5:05 42.£h6+ 2.13/15 >3:34 £g7 0.54/15 16:37 43.£g5 2.53/16 2:46 £d4 0.52/13 2:37 44.¦h3 >2.56/15 1:42 ¢g7 0.52/13 3:08 45.£h6+ 2.38/15 2:42 ¢g8 0.52/6 0 >46.¦f3 2.16/15 2:26 £g7 0.52/13 3:35 47.¤f6+ (£g5) 2.16/14 1:45 >47...¢f8 0.41/13 1:40 48.¤xd7+ 2.31/15 2:52 ¦xd7 0.42/13 2:35 49.£f4 >(£h2) 2.09/15 4:32 49...f5 (£h8) 0.45/12 3:37 50.¦e3 2.22/15 4:30 ¢f7 >0.40/13 2:07 51.£h4 2.25/16 4:49 £f6 (g5) 0.25/13 2:44 52.£h7+ (£h1) >1.84/17 6:43 52...£g7 0.19/14 1:50 53.£h1 1.56/18 24:33 £d4 0.19/14 >4:00 54.£h6 (£h3) 1.56/16 20:03 54...£g7 0.00/14 1:57 55.£h2 -0.12/18 >16:45 ¦e7 0.00/14 4:20 56.¦g3 (¦xe7+) 0.00/17 7:09 56...¦e6 (£d4) >-0.13/12 3:36 57.¦g2 (£f2) 0.56/16 5:03 57...£d4 -0.23/12 3:10 58.£h7+ >0.25/16 4:03 ¢f8 (£g7) -0.17/13 3:44 59.£h6+ 0.00/16 6:18 ¢e8 (¢e7) >-0.02/14 7:20 60.¤c1 (¦d2) 0.22/17 7:15 60...£e4+ -0.68/13 1:55 61.¦c2 >0.13/17 2:26 f4 -0.68/13 1:04 62.£h3 0.22/15 37 f3 (¢d7) -0.67/12 1:00 > 63.¤d3 0.00/15 1:08 g5 (¢d7) -0.67/12 59 64.¦d2 0.00/13 32 g4 >-0.84/11 57 65.£h4 (£h8+) -0.44/13 1:38 65...£g6 -1.47/10 40 66.£h8+ >(£f2) -0.97/13 1:55 66...¢f7 -1.76/11 47 67.£c8 -0.78/12 40 ¢g7 (¦e1+) >-2.01/11 53 68.£b7+ -1.09/12 46 £f7 -2.49/11 35 69.£c6 (£xf7+) -1.62/13 > 1:06 69...g3 -4.07/10 42 70.¦d1 -2.25/12 49 ¦g6 -4.33/10 36 71.¢c1 >(£d5) -2.62/12 1:30 71...g2 -5.20/11 40 72.¦g1 -2.94/13 30 f2 -5.45/11 > 34 73.¤xf2 -3.19/13 20 £xf2 (£f4+) -5.70/11 44 74.£d7+ -3.53/13 1:19 >¢f6 -6.26/12 43 75.£xd6+ -3.56/13 1:12 ¢g5 -6.26/11 31 76.£d2+ (¦xg2+) >-5.31/13 26 76...£xd2+ -12.25/15 27 77.¢xd2 -6.56/17 4 ¢f4 -12.74/16 >27 78.¢e2 -8.28/19 33 ¢g3 -12.99/15 29 79.¢e3 (¢d3) -9.62/16 15 >79...¦e6+ -#16/13 7 80.¢d3 (¢d2) -8.56/17 52 0-1 On May 11, 2002 at 08:33:36, Jorge Pichard wrote: >It is up to you to judge playing strength at different time control! > >Hiarcs 8 (2700) - Shredder Paderborn (2706) [B25] >Athlon 1.2 Ghz, 120'/40+120'/20+30' My Place (1), 09.05.2002 > >W=12.3 ply; 158kN/s >B=13.5 ply; 325kN/s > 1.e4 c5 2.Nc3 Nc6 3.g3 g6 4.Bg2 Bg7 5.d3 d6 6.f4 e6 7.Nf3 Nge7 8.0-0 0-0 9.Be3 >Nd4 10.e5 Nef5 11.Bf2 Nxf3+ 12.Qxf3 Nd4 13.Qd1 dxe5 14.fxe5 Bxe5 15.Ne4 f5 >16.Nxc5 Qd6 17.b4 Nc6 18.Rb1 Bd4 19.Qd2 a5 20.Bxc6 Bxf2+ 21.Qxf2 bxc6 Both last >book move 22.b5 0.14/13 12:25 cxb5 0.57/12 45 23.Rxb5 0.14/13 8:14 e5 >0.69/14 7:43 24.Qf3 (Rfb1) 0.10/11 7:06 24...Be6 0.65/13 7:07 25.Nxe6 >0.20/12 6:30 Qxe6 0.51/16 5:52 26.Re1 (Qd5) 0.24/12 4:49 26...Qxa2 >0.40/15 14:10 27.Rbxe5 0.02/11 6:10 Rad8 0.23/13 5:59 28.Re7 (Qf2) >0.20/12 5:44 28...Qxc2 (Qd5) 0.30/11 1:16 29.Qe3 0.24/12 4:59 Qc6 >0.25/12 5:33 30.Rc1 (Qh6) 1.72/11 5:49 30...f4 1.34/12 5:43 31.gxf4 >1.98/11 4:21 Qd6 1.67/13 9:35 32.Rcc7 1.73/12 3:58 Rf5 1.43/13 5:46 >33.Rg7+ 1.73/12 4:40 Kf8 1.58/13 11:13 34.Rxh7 1.73/12 4:50 Kg8 >1.32/13 9:12 35.Rcg7+ 2.05/11 6:43 Kf8 1.32/7 0 36.Rb7 1.80/12 20:09 >Kg8 1.25/11 1:07 37.Kg2 1.53/11 4:47 Qd5+ 1.24/12 8:23 38.Kf2 1.45/12 >3:22 Qd4 1.21/13 6:39 39.Rbg7+ (Qxd4) 1.16/11 3:57 39...Kf8 1.20/12 39 >40.Qxd4 1.16/11 39 Rxd4 1.37/11 22 41.Ke3 (Rxg6) 1.33/13 6:02 41...Rfd5 > 1.30/14 5:38 42.Rxg6 (Rf7+) 1.29/13 9:03 42...Rxd3+ 1.23/13 23 43.Ke4 >1.28/13 5:05 R3d4+ 1.19/15 6:32 44.Kf3 1.28/13 4:26 Rf5 1.23/15 11:03 >45.Rg4 1.27/12 6:00 a4 (Rd3+) 1.35/14 7:56 46.h4 (Ra7) 1.13/12 9:00 >46...Rc4 (Rb4) 1.25/15 14:16 47.h5 (Ra7) 1.38/11 5:24 47...a3 1.28/14 >16:25 48.h6 1.21/12 8:43 Ra4 (Rf6) 1.28/12 3:59 49.Rh8+ 1.74/11 5:34 >Ke7 (Kf7) 1.89/14 9:23 50.h7 2.21/12 7:19 Rh5 2.04/13 8:14 51.Rg7+ >2.21/12 5:24 Kf6 (Ke6) 1.68/12 4:25 52.Rb7 (Rg5) 2.26/11 3:32 52...a2 >0.91/12 4:09 53.Rf8+ 1.63/12 16:00 Kg6 0.93/13 3:41 54.Rg8+ (h8Q) >1.63/12 4:09 54...Kf5 (Kf6) 0.87/13 4:00 55.Rb5+ 1.38/12 6:01 Ke6 >0.87/13 8:11 56.Rxh5 (Rg6+) 1.38/11 3:11 56...a1Q 0.02/12 4:00 57.Re5+ >(Re8+) 1.13/11 9:48 57...Kd6 0.01/13 3:29 58.Rg6+ (Rd8+) 0.09/11 3:55 >58...Kd7 (Kc7) 0.01/13 4:19 59.Rg7+ 0.00/11 58 Kd6 0.00/14 4:15 60.Rg6+ > 0.00/11 29 Kd7 0.00/13 2:13 61.Rg7+ 0.00/12 1:01 Kd6 0.00/13 53 >62.Rg6+ Draw accepted 0.00/11 59 ½-½ > > > >Shredder Paderborn (2706) - Hiarcs 8 (2700) [B25] >Athlon 1.2 Ghz, 120'/40+120'/20+30' My Place (2), 09.05.2002 > >W=13.9 ply; 280kN/s >B=11.3 ply; 135kN/s > 1.e4 c5 2.Nc3 Nc6 3.g3 g6 4.Bg2 Bg7 5.d3 d6 6.f4 e6 7.Nf3 Nge7 8.0-0 0-0 9.Be3 >Nd4 10.e5 Nef5 11.Bf2 Nxf3+ 12.Qxf3 Nd4 13.Qd1 dxe5 14.fxe5 Bxe5 15.Ne4 f5 >16.Nxc5 Qd6 17.b4 Nc6 18.Rb1 Bd4 19.Qd2 a5 20.Bxc6 Bxf2+ 21.Qxf2 bxc6 Both last >book move 22.a4 0.99/15 5:51 e5 0.06/12 6:42 23.c3 (b5) 0.94/12 43 >23...f4 (Ba6) 0.00/12 9:20 24.gxf4 0.94/14 12:03 Rxf4 -0.04/11 5:38 >25.Qa2+ 1.11/12 56 Kg7 0.02/12 6:15 26.Rxf4 1.01/13 6:40 exf4 0.02/11 >2:32 27.Qc4 (Qf2) 1.09/14 5:12 27...axb4 (Bh3) -0.01/11 9:04 28.cxb4 >(Ne4) 1.03/14 10:07 28...Bh3 -0.06/11 7:05 29.a5 (Qc3+) 0.90/13 8:35 >29...Qf6 (Rf8) -0.37/12 6:11 30.Ne4 1.28/12 35 Qh4 -0.21/12 8:49 >31.Qd4+ 0.92/14 8:16 Kh6 -0.21/12 5:55 32.Qf2 0.88/15 5:40 Qg4+ >-0.12/12 5:59 33.Kh1 0.88/15 11:07 Rf8 0.00/11 5:53 34.Rg1 0.95/14 >5:43 Qd7 -0.12/11 6:07 35.Qc5 0.94/13 4:02 Rf5 -0.15/11 5:51 36.Qc3 >(Qf2) 0.61/14 12:17 36...Qd5 (Rf8) -0.34/11 5:51 37.Qd2 (a6) 0.80/13 >5:33 37...g5 (Rf8) -0.39/11 3:20 38.Rc1 1.56/13 4:21 f3 (Re5) -0.08/12 >12:02 39.Nf2 (Qe3) 0.91/14 8:35 39...Re5 -0.84/11 2:28 40.Qb2 (Qc3) >-0.07/11 3:06 40...Kg6 (Qd6) -0.84/11 2:46 41.Ne4 (Qc3) -0.50/13 12:40 >41...Qxd3 -2.23/13 12:12 42.Nf2 -1.40/13 8:06 Qe2 -2.27/12 5:49 43.Qb1+ > -1.40/13 10:02 Bf5 -2.05/13 8:48 44.Rxc6+ -1.43/14 4:04 Kh5 -2.05/13 >4:14 45.Qg1 -1.93/15 8:10 Qd2 -2.07/12 4:01 46.Rc1 -1.68/15 10:50 Qxb4 > -2.08/12 5:50 47.a6 -1.34/14 5:37 Ra5 -2.33/12 5:50 48.Qd1 (Ra1) >-1.40/13 3:19 48...Qa3 -3.27/12 4:58 49.Qd2 -1.52/13 3:55 h6 -3.52/11 >4:26 50.Rg1 -1.55/13 3:29 Rxa6 (Qc5) -3.35/12 9:16 51.Qd5 (h4) -1.55/13 >4:59 51...Rf6 -3.46/12 5:44 52.Qe5 -1.68/14 8:18 Qd6 (Kg6) -3.55/12 >4:54 53.Qe8+ (Qc3) -1.77/13 3:33 53...Bg6 (Rg6) -3.74/12 5:50 54.Qe3 >-1.78/14 5:55 Qf4 -3.78/12 3:55 55.Rg3 -1.99/14 7:59 Bf7 -3.84/12 4:29 > 56.Qc3 (Qd3) -2.08/13 4:23 56...Bd5 (Qf5) -3.99/13 7:17 57.Qe1 (Qd3) >-2.43/13 4:28 57...Rc6 -4.23/13 6:16 58.Qe8+ -3.12/13 2:13 Qf7 -4.23/13 > 4:42 59.Qe1 (Qxf7+) -4.40/13 5:54 59...Rc2 -6.07/12 3:36 60.Qe3 (Kg1) >-5.51/12 2:08 60...Re2 -8.98/12 5:15 61.Qb6 (Qd4) -5.50/12 31 61...Qf5 >(Qe6) -19.05/11 35 62.h3 (Qb5) -12.84/11 58 62...Qf4 (Qe5) -19.68/12 51 >63.Kh2 (Rg1) -#60/17 1:22 63...Qd2 -#8/8 3 64.Kh1 (Rg1) -#7/20 31 >64...Rxf2 -#6/7 10 65.Qxf2 -#5/13 1:14 Qxf2 -#5/6 0 66.Rg1 (Rg4) >-#4/11 36 66...Kg6 (Qd2) -#6/1 0 67.Rg4 -#4/11 1:08 Qf1+ (Qe2) -#4/4 0 > 68.Kh2 -#4/11 16 f2 (Qe2+) -#3/3 0 69.Rxg5+ (h4) -#2/12 4 69...hxg5 >-#2/1 0 70.Kg3 -#1/10 23 Qg1# -#1/1 0 0-1 > > I will have two additional games by tomorrow morning, I will start the engines now. Pichard.
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