Author: Uri Blass
Date: 06:11:02 05/13/02
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On May 13, 2002 at 05:51:24, Jorge Pichard wrote: >On May 12, 2002 at 23:04:58, Terry McCracken wrote: > >>On May 12, 2002 at 22:50:05, Terry McCracken wrote: >> >>>On May 12, 2002 at 22:21:41, Jorge Pichard wrote: >>> >>>>I started a long long time control match of approximately 4 minutes per move and >>>>HIARCS 8 is winning 2 games and ZERO lost so far, against one of the very best >>>>program available Fritz 7. It seems to me that HIARCS 8 is an excellent program >>>>at longer time control and could also be used wisely in correspondence. >>>> >>>>PS: Once the newer Pentium 3.0 Ghz becomes available this program will be among >>>>the very best available , and that could be in another 6 six months. >>>> >>>> >>>>Pichard. >>> >>>This is my theory, but no one buys it! It's "Common Sense" IMO. Regardless how >>>fast a programme may be it will hit a "Wall" with iterative deepening as the >>>tree grows larger exponentially. So Hiarcs will catch up over time, regardless >>>of it's slow node count (slowest I've Seen) and lower iterations in fast games. >>> >>>Time will tell;) > > >>> Terry > >Terry, I believe you are in the right track, ( you hit the nail right on its >head). > >Jorge > >> >>And no, I don't propose that Hiarcs a superior "Branching Factor", but I think >>it requires more speed/time to reach it's potential. >> >>This is a handicap in fast games and slow computers. >> >>Terry > >On May 13, 2002 at 00:57:06, Uri Blass wrote: > >>On May 12, 2002 at 22:21:41, Jorge Pichard wrote: >> >>>I started a long long time control match of approximately 4 minutes per move and >>>HIARCS 8 is winning 2 games and ZERO lost so far, against one of the very best >>>program available Fritz 7. It seems to me that HIARCS 8 is an excellent program >>>at longer time control and could also be used wisely in correspondence. >>> >>>PS: Once the newer Pentium 3.0 Ghz becomes available this program will be among >>>the very best available , and that could be in another 6 six months. >>> >>> >>>Pichard. >> >>2-0 is not a significant result. >> >>I do not believe that hiarcs is better at longer time control. >> >>It is possible that programs that have better positional understanding are going >>to get better results at slower time control(I do not know) but Hiarcs has not >>better positional understanding based on other posts. >> >>There are positions when it may be better than other programs but there are also >>positions when it may be worse than other programs. >> >>Uri > > >If it was based on position then it would have lost the second game, since it is >the same opening but with the black pieces. > > > >Hiarcs 8 (2700) - Fritz 7 (2715) [E86] >Athlon 1.2 Ghz, 120'/30+120'/30+30' My Place (1), 12.05.2002 > >W=13.2 ply; 125kN/s >B=14.9 ply; 686kN/s > 1.d4 ¤f6 2.c4 g6 3.¤c3 ¥g7 4.e4 d6 5.f3 0-0 6.¥e3 e5 7.¤ge2 c6 8.£d2 ¤bd7 >9.0-0-0 a6 10.¢b1 b5 11.¤c1 White last book move 11...£e7 12.dxe5 0.96/13 9:27 > dxe5 Black last book move 13.¤b3 0.96/13 8:26 £b4 0.56/14 7:41 14.£d6 >1.08/12 5:16 £xd6 0.75/16 6:30 15.¦xd6 1.08/13 3:26 b4 (¤b8) 0.81/16 >7:43 16.¤a4 1.40/14 6:06 ¤e8 1.09/17 12:25 17.¦d2 1.48/13 4:21 f5 >1.16/16 9:03 18.¤a5 (¥d3) 1.53/13 6:22 18...fxe4 0.78/15 5:31 19.¤xc6 >1.59/12 3:00 ¤ef6 0.81/14 4:40 20.c5 (¤xb4) 1.77/12 6:41 20...exf3 (¢h8) > 1.00/14 4:53 21.gxf3 1.84/12 5:40 ¥b7 (b3) 1.25/15 10:57 22.¤e7+ >3.36/13 6:47 ¢f7 2.00/16 5:16 23.c6 3.40/13 5:05 ¢xe7 2.41/14 5:41 >24.cxb7 4.15/13 5:29 ¦ab8 (¦ad8) 2.84/14 5:31 25.¥xa6 4.14/13 5:28 e4 >(b3) 3.41/14 24:04 26.¥f4 5.35/12 7:13 ¢e6 (b3) 3.34/12 1:49 27.¥xb8 >5.53/11 6:28 ¦xb8 3.50/14 1:38 28.fxe4 5.52/13 6:37 ¥h6 3.81/14 1:36 >29.¦d4 5.63/14 8:58 b3 3.84/14 1:54 30.axb3 (¦hd1) 5.78/13 4:29 >30...¥f4 3.34/13 1:36 31.h3 5.85/13 3:39 ¢e7 (¥e3) 3.53/14 3:24 32.¦c4 >5.97/13 4:10 ¥e5 (g5) 3.84/15 8:10 33.¦d1 6.17/13 3:07 ¥f4 (g5) 4.44/14 > 4:27 34.¤c3 6.65/13 3:42 h5 (¥e5) 4.94/13 2:50 35.¦c8 7.58/12 3:22 >¢e6 (g5) 5.37/13 3:23 36.¤b5 8.57/12 2:26 ¢e5 5.66/12 3:02 37.¤a7 (¦e1) > 9.91/13 3:36 37...¢xe4 6.37/14 16:52 38.¤c6 10.05/12 2:31 ¥h2 (¢f5) >7.69/13 14:31 39.¤xb8 13.70/12 3:44 ¤xb8 8.97/14 2:26 40.¥d3+ 13.97/12 >3:22 ¢f3 9.44/14 3:15 41.¥xg6 14.41/12 3:24 ¤fd7 (¥e5) 11.91/14 8:52 >1-0 > > > > >Fritz 7 (2700) - Hiarcs 8 (2690) [E86] >Athlon 1.2 Ghz, 120'/30+120'/30+30' My Place (2), 12.05.2002 > >W=15.4 ply; 694kN/s >B=12.9 ply; 125kN/s > 1.d4 ¤f6 2.c4 g6 3.¤c3 ¥g7 4.e4 d6 5.f3 0-0 6.¥e3 e5 7.¤ge2 c6 8.£d2 ¤bd7 >9.0-0-0 a6 10.¢b1 b5 11.¤c1 White last book move 11...exd4 12.¥xd4 ¦e8 13.¤b3 >¥f8 14.h4 b4 15.¤e2 a5 16.h5 c5 17.¥e3 a4 18.¤bc1 ¤xh5 19.¥g5 ¥e7 20.¥xe7 £xe7 >21.g4 ¥b7 -0.65/13 17:59 22.gxh5 0.88/16 17:54 ¥xe4+ -0.54/13 10:34 >23.fxe4 1.03/16 16:07 £xe4+ -0.52/13 11:05 24.¤d3 0.91/16 15:32 £xh1 >-0.44/13 31:38 25.¤ef4 0.91/14 4:45 £h4 -0.38/12 9:16 26.¥g2 0.97/13 >2:04 ¦ac8 (¦a6) -0.33/12 9:03 27.hxg6 1.28/13 3:33 hxg6 -0.02/12 17:44 >28.¦h1 1.03/13 2:31 £f6 (£g3) 0.28/13 8:57 29.¥b7 (¥h3) 1.56/14 3:28 >29...¦cd8 (¦b8) 0.00/12 2:14 30.¥c6 (£h2) 1.53/14 3:18 30...a3 (¤b6) >0.00/11 2:00 31.b3 (£h2) 1.81/14 3:50 31...£g7 0.17/12 4:57 32.£g2 (£f2) > 1.84/14 4:20 32...¢f8 (¦f8) 0.34/12 5:58 33.£g5 (¤d5) 1.94/13 3:09 >33...¢g8 0.16/12 12:52 34.¦h2 (¦g1) 1.75/13 2:53 34...£f6 0.04/11 2:45 >35.£h6 1.84/14 3:03 £g7 0.17/12 3:51 36.£h3 (£h4) 1.84/15 2:26 36...¦e7 > 0.02/12 1:56 37.¤d5 (¤h5) 1.72/15 5:19 37...¦e6 0.00/11 1:00 38.¤c7 >(¤5f4) 1.72/15 3:59 38...¦e7 0.00/13 2:55 39.¥xd7 (¤d5) 1.66/15 3:27 >39...¦exd7 0.00/14 3:49 40.¤d5 1.66/16 6:02 £d4 (f5) 0.00/12 2:27 >41.¦h1 (£h7+) 1.72/14 2:45 41...¢f8 (f5) 0.10/13 5:05 42.£h6+ 2.13/15 >3:34 £g7 0.54/15 16:37 43.£g5 2.53/16 2:46 £d4 0.52/13 2:37 44.¦h3 >2.56/15 1:42 ¢g7 0.52/13 3:08 45.£h6+ 2.38/15 2:42 ¢g8 0.52/6 0 >46.¦f3 2.16/15 2:26 £g7 0.52/13 3:35 47.¤f6+ (£g5) 2.16/14 1:45 >47...¢f8 0.41/13 1:40 48.¤xd7+ 2.31/15 2:52 ¦xd7 0.42/13 2:35 49.£f4 >(£h2) 2.09/15 4:32 49...f5 (£h8) 0.45/12 3:37 50.¦e3 2.22/15 4:30 ¢f7 >0.40/13 2:07 51.£h4 2.25/16 4:49 £f6 (g5) 0.25/13 2:44 52.£h7+ (£h1) >1.84/17 6:43 52...£g7 0.19/14 1:50 53.£h1 1.56/18 24:33 £d4 0.19/14 >4:00 54.£h6 (£h3) 1.56/16 20:03 54...£g7 0.00/14 1:57 55.£h2 -0.12/18 >16:45 ¦e7 0.00/14 4:20 56.¦g3 (¦xe7+) 0.00/17 7:09 56...¦e6 (£d4) >-0.13/12 3:36 57.¦g2 (£f2) 0.56/16 5:03 57...£d4 -0.23/12 3:10 58.£h7+ >0.25/16 4:03 ¢f8 (£g7) -0.17/13 3:44 59.£h6+ 0.00/16 6:18 ¢e8 (¢e7) >-0.02/14 7:20 60.¤c1 (¦d2) 0.22/17 7:15 60...£e4+ -0.68/13 1:55 61.¦c2 >0.13/17 2:26 f4 -0.68/13 1:04 62.£h3 0.22/15 37 f3 (¢d7) -0.67/12 1:00 > 63.¤d3 0.00/15 1:08 g5 (¢d7) -0.67/12 59 64.¦d2 0.00/13 32 g4 >-0.84/11 57 65.£h4 (£h8+) -0.44/13 1:38 65...£g6 -1.47/10 40 66.£h8+ >(£f2) -0.97/13 1:55 66...¢f7 -1.76/11 47 67.£c8 -0.78/12 40 ¢g7 (¦e1+) >-2.01/11 53 68.£b7+ -1.09/12 46 £f7 -2.49/11 35 69.£c6 (£xf7+) -1.62/13 > 1:06 69...g3 -4.07/10 42 70.¦d1 -2.25/12 49 ¦g6 -4.33/10 36 71.¢c1 >(£d5) -2.62/12 1:30 71...g2 -5.20/11 40 72.¦g1 -2.94/13 30 f2 -5.45/11 > 34 73.¤xf2 -3.19/13 20 £xf2 (£f4+) -5.70/11 44 74.£d7+ -3.53/13 1:19 >¢f6 -6.26/12 43 75.£xd6+ -3.56/13 1:12 ¢g5 -6.26/11 31 76.£d2+ (¦xg2+) >-5.31/13 26 76...£xd2+ -12.25/15 27 77.¢xd2 -6.56/17 4 ¢f4 -12.74/16 >27 78.¢e2 -8.28/19 33 ¢g3 -12.99/15 29 79.¢e3 (¢d3) -9.62/16 15 >79...¦e6+ -#16/13 7 80.¢d3 (¢d2) -8.56/17 52 0-1 Here is translation of the important part of the first game and the second game to normal notation. I had to translate strange notations like £h4 to Qh4 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.e4 d6 5.f3 0-0 6.Be3 e5 7.Nge2 c6 8.Qd2 Nbd7 9.0-0-0 a6 10.Kb1 b5 11.Nc1 Qe7 [11...exd4 12.Bxd4 Re8 13.Nb3 Bf8 14.h4 b4 15.Ne2 a5 16.h5 c5 17.Be3 a4 18.Nbc1 Nxh5 19.Bg5 Be7 20.Bxe7 Qxe7 21.g4 Bb7 22.gxh5 Bxe4+ 23.fxe4 Qxe4+ 24.Nd3 Qxh1 25.Nef4 Qh4 26.Bg2 Rac8 27.hxg6 hxg6 28.Rh1 Qf6 29.Bb7 Rcd8 30.Bc6 a3 31.b3 Qg7 32.Qg2 Kf8 33.Qg5 Kg8 34.Rh2 Qf6 35.Qh6 Qg7 36.Qh3 Re7 37.Nd5 Re6 38.Nc7 Re7 39.Bxd7 Rexd7 40.Nd5 Qd4 41.Rh1 Kf8 42.Qh6+ Qg7 43.Qg5 Qd4 44.Rh3 Kg7 45.Qh6+ Kg8 46.Rf3 Qg7 47.Nf6+ Kf8 48.Nxd7+ Rxd7 49.Qf4 f5 50.Re3 Kf7 51.Qh4 Qf6 52.Qh7+ Qg7 53.Qh1 Qd4 54.Qh6 Qg7 55.Qh2 Re7 56.Rg3 Re6 57.Rg2 Qd4 58.Qh7+ Kf8 59.Qh6+ Ke8 60.Nc1 Qe4+ 61.Rc2 f4 62.Qh3 f3 63.Nd3 g5 64.Rd2 g4 65.Qh4 Qg6 66.Qh8+ Kf7 67.Qc8 Kg7 68.Qb7+ Qf7 69.Qc6 g3 70.Rd1 Rg6 71.Kc1 g2 72.Rg1 f2 73.Nxf2 Qxf2 74.Qd7+ Kf6 75.Qxd6+ Kg5 76.Qd2+ Qxd2+ 77.Kxd2 Kf4 78.Ke2 Kg3 79.Ke3 Re6+ 80.Kd3] 12.dxe5 dxe5 13.Nb3 Qb4 14.Qd6 Qxd6 15.Rxd6 b4 16.Na4 Ne8 17.Rd2 f5 18.Na5 fxe4 19.Nxc6 Nef6 20.c5 exf3 21.gxf3 Bb7 22.Ne7+ Kf7 23.c6 Kxe7 24.cxb7 Rab8 25.Bxa6 e4 26.Bf4 Ke6 27.Bxb8 Line Uri
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