Author: Jorge Pichard
Date: 06:58:13 05/13/02
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On May 13, 2002 at 09:11:02, Uri Blass wrote: >On May 13, 2002 at 05:51:24, Jorge Pichard wrote: > >>On May 12, 2002 at 23:04:58, Terry McCracken wrote: >> >>>On May 12, 2002 at 22:50:05, Terry McCracken wrote: >>> >>>>On May 12, 2002 at 22:21:41, Jorge Pichard wrote: >>>> >>>>>I started a long long time control match of approximately 4 minutes per move and >>>>>HIARCS 8 is winning 2 games and ZERO lost so far, against one of the very best >>>>>program available Fritz 7. It seems to me that HIARCS 8 is an excellent program >>>>>at longer time control and could also be used wisely in correspondence. >>>>> >>>>>PS: Once the newer Pentium 3.0 Ghz becomes available this program will be among >>>>>the very best available , and that could be in another 6 six months. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Pichard. >>>> >>>>This is my theory, but no one buys it! It's "Common Sense" IMO. Regardless how >>>>fast a programme may be it will hit a "Wall" with iterative deepening as the >>>>tree grows larger exponentially. So Hiarcs will catch up over time, regardless >>>>of it's slow node count (slowest I've Seen) and lower iterations in fast games. >>>> >>>>Time will tell;) >> >> >>>> Terry >> >>Terry, I believe you are in the right track, ( you hit the nail right on its >>head). >> >>Jorge >> >>> >>>And no, I don't propose that Hiarcs a superior "Branching Factor", but I think >>>it requires more speed/time to reach it's potential. >>> >>>This is a handicap in fast games and slow computers. >>> >>>Terry >> >>On May 13, 2002 at 00:57:06, Uri Blass wrote: >> >>>On May 12, 2002 at 22:21:41, Jorge Pichard wrote: >>> >>>>I started a long long time control match of approximately 4 minutes per move and >>>>HIARCS 8 is winning 2 games and ZERO lost so far, against one of the very best >>>>program available Fritz 7. It seems to me that HIARCS 8 is an excellent program >>>>at longer time control and could also be used wisely in correspondence. >>>> >>>>PS: Once the newer Pentium 3.0 Ghz becomes available this program will be among >>>>the very best available , and that could be in another 6 six months. >>>> >>>> >>>>Pichard. >>> >>>2-0 is not a significant result. >>> >>>I do not believe that hiarcs is better at longer time control. >>> >>>It is possible that programs that have better positional understanding are going >>>to get better results at slower time control(I do not know) but Hiarcs has not >>>better positional understanding based on other posts. >>> >>>There are positions when it may be better than other programs but there are also >>>positions when it may be worse than other programs. >>> >>>Uri >> >> >>If it was based on position then it would have lost the second game, since it is >>the same opening but with the black pieces. >> >> >> >>Hiarcs 8 (2700) - Fritz 7 (2715) [E86] >>Athlon 1.2 Ghz, 120'/30+120'/30+30' My Place (1), 12.05.2002 >> >>W=13.2 ply; 125kN/s >>B=14.9 ply; 686kN/s >> 1.d4 ¤f6 2.c4 g6 3.¤c3 ¥g7 4.e4 d6 5.f3 0-0 6.¥e3 e5 7.¤ge2 c6 8.£d2 ¤bd7 >>9.0-0-0 a6 10.¢b1 b5 11.¤c1 White last book move 11...£e7 12.dxe5 0.96/13 9:27 >> dxe5 Black last book move 13.¤b3 0.96/13 8:26 £b4 0.56/14 7:41 14.£d6 >>1.08/12 5:16 £xd6 0.75/16 6:30 15.¦xd6 1.08/13 3:26 b4 (¤b8) 0.81/16 >>7:43 16.¤a4 1.40/14 6:06 ¤e8 1.09/17 12:25 17.¦d2 1.48/13 4:21 f5 >>1.16/16 9:03 18.¤a5 (¥d3) 1.53/13 6:22 18...fxe4 0.78/15 5:31 19.¤xc6 >>1.59/12 3:00 ¤ef6 0.81/14 4:40 20.c5 (¤xb4) 1.77/12 6:41 20...exf3 (¢h8) >> 1.00/14 4:53 21.gxf3 1.84/12 5:40 ¥b7 (b3) 1.25/15 10:57 22.¤e7+ >>3.36/13 6:47 ¢f7 2.00/16 5:16 23.c6 3.40/13 5:05 ¢xe7 2.41/14 5:41 >>24.cxb7 4.15/13 5:29 ¦ab8 (¦ad8) 2.84/14 5:31 25.¥xa6 4.14/13 5:28 e4 >>(b3) 3.41/14 24:04 26.¥f4 5.35/12 7:13 ¢e6 (b3) 3.34/12 1:49 27.¥xb8 >>5.53/11 6:28 ¦xb8 3.50/14 1:38 28.fxe4 5.52/13 6:37 ¥h6 3.81/14 1:36 >>29.¦d4 5.63/14 8:58 b3 3.84/14 1:54 30.axb3 (¦hd1) 5.78/13 4:29 >>30...¥f4 3.34/13 1:36 31.h3 5.85/13 3:39 ¢e7 (¥e3) 3.53/14 3:24 32.¦c4 >>5.97/13 4:10 ¥e5 (g5) 3.84/15 8:10 33.¦d1 6.17/13 3:07 ¥f4 (g5) 4.44/14 >> 4:27 34.¤c3 6.65/13 3:42 h5 (¥e5) 4.94/13 2:50 35.¦c8 7.58/12 3:22 >>¢e6 (g5) 5.37/13 3:23 36.¤b5 8.57/12 2:26 ¢e5 5.66/12 3:02 37.¤a7 (¦e1) >> 9.91/13 3:36 37...¢xe4 6.37/14 16:52 38.¤c6 10.05/12 2:31 ¥h2 (¢f5) >>7.69/13 14:31 39.¤xb8 13.70/12 3:44 ¤xb8 8.97/14 2:26 40.¥d3+ 13.97/12 >>3:22 ¢f3 9.44/14 3:15 41.¥xg6 14.41/12 3:24 ¤fd7 (¥e5) 11.91/14 8:52 >>1-0 >> >> >> >> >>Fritz 7 (2700) - Hiarcs 8 (2690) [E86] >>Athlon 1.2 Ghz, 120'/30+120'/30+30' My Place (2), 12.05.2002 >> >>W=15.4 ply; 694kN/s >>B=12.9 ply; 125kN/s >> 1.d4 ¤f6 2.c4 g6 3.¤c3 ¥g7 4.e4 d6 5.f3 0-0 6.¥e3 e5 7.¤ge2 c6 8.£d2 ¤bd7 >>9.0-0-0 a6 10.¢b1 b5 11.¤c1 White last book move 11...exd4 12.¥xd4 ¦e8 13.¤b3 >>¥f8 14.h4 b4 15.¤e2 a5 16.h5 c5 17.¥e3 a4 18.¤bc1 ¤xh5 19.¥g5 ¥e7 20.¥xe7 £xe7 >>21.g4 ¥b7 -0.65/13 17:59 22.gxh5 0.88/16 17:54 ¥xe4+ -0.54/13 10:34 >>23.fxe4 1.03/16 16:07 £xe4+ -0.52/13 11:05 24.¤d3 0.91/16 15:32 £xh1 >>-0.44/13 31:38 25.¤ef4 0.91/14 4:45 £h4 -0.38/12 9:16 26.¥g2 0.97/13 >>2:04 ¦ac8 (¦a6) -0.33/12 9:03 27.hxg6 1.28/13 3:33 hxg6 -0.02/12 17:44 >>28.¦h1 1.03/13 2:31 £f6 (£g3) 0.28/13 8:57 29.¥b7 (¥h3) 1.56/14 3:28 >>29...¦cd8 (¦b8) 0.00/12 2:14 30.¥c6 (£h2) 1.53/14 3:18 30...a3 (¤b6) >>0.00/11 2:00 31.b3 (£h2) 1.81/14 3:50 31...£g7 0.17/12 4:57 32.£g2 (£f2) >> 1.84/14 4:20 32...¢f8 (¦f8) 0.34/12 5:58 33.£g5 (¤d5) 1.94/13 3:09 >>33...¢g8 0.16/12 12:52 34.¦h2 (¦g1) 1.75/13 2:53 34...£f6 0.04/11 2:45 >>35.£h6 1.84/14 3:03 £g7 0.17/12 3:51 36.£h3 (£h4) 1.84/15 2:26 36...¦e7 >> 0.02/12 1:56 37.¤d5 (¤h5) 1.72/15 5:19 37...¦e6 0.00/11 1:00 38.¤c7 >>(¤5f4) 1.72/15 3:59 38...¦e7 0.00/13 2:55 39.¥xd7 (¤d5) 1.66/15 3:27 >>39...¦exd7 0.00/14 3:49 40.¤d5 1.66/16 6:02 £d4 (f5) 0.00/12 2:27 >>41.¦h1 (£h7+) 1.72/14 2:45 41...¢f8 (f5) 0.10/13 5:05 42.£h6+ 2.13/15 >>3:34 £g7 0.54/15 16:37 43.£g5 2.53/16 2:46 £d4 0.52/13 2:37 44.¦h3 >>2.56/15 1:42 ¢g7 0.52/13 3:08 45.£h6+ 2.38/15 2:42 ¢g8 0.52/6 0 >>46.¦f3 2.16/15 2:26 £g7 0.52/13 3:35 47.¤f6+ (£g5) 2.16/14 1:45 >>47...¢f8 0.41/13 1:40 48.¤xd7+ 2.31/15 2:52 ¦xd7 0.42/13 2:35 49.£f4 >>(£h2) 2.09/15 4:32 49...f5 (£h8) 0.45/12 3:37 50.¦e3 2.22/15 4:30 ¢f7 >>0.40/13 2:07 51.£h4 2.25/16 4:49 £f6 (g5) 0.25/13 2:44 52.£h7+ (£h1) >>1.84/17 6:43 52...£g7 0.19/14 1:50 53.£h1 1.56/18 24:33 £d4 0.19/14 >>4:00 54.£h6 (£h3) 1.56/16 20:03 54...£g7 0.00/14 1:57 55.£h2 -0.12/18 >>16:45 ¦e7 0.00/14 4:20 56.¦g3 (¦xe7+) 0.00/17 7:09 56...¦e6 (£d4) >>-0.13/12 3:36 57.¦g2 (£f2) 0.56/16 5:03 57...£d4 -0.23/12 3:10 58.£h7+ >>0.25/16 4:03 ¢f8 (£g7) -0.17/13 3:44 59.£h6+ 0.00/16 6:18 ¢e8 (¢e7) >>-0.02/14 7:20 60.¤c1 (¦d2) 0.22/17 7:15 60...£e4+ -0.68/13 1:55 61.¦c2 >>0.13/17 2:26 f4 -0.68/13 1:04 62.£h3 0.22/15 37 f3 (¢d7) -0.67/12 1:00 >> 63.¤d3 0.00/15 1:08 g5 (¢d7) -0.67/12 59 64.¦d2 0.00/13 32 g4 >>-0.84/11 57 65.£h4 (£h8+) -0.44/13 1:38 65...£g6 -1.47/10 40 66.£h8+ >>(£f2) -0.97/13 1:55 66...¢f7 -1.76/11 47 67.£c8 -0.78/12 40 ¢g7 (¦e1+) >>-2.01/11 53 68.£b7+ -1.09/12 46 £f7 -2.49/11 35 69.£c6 (£xf7+) -1.62/13 >> 1:06 69...g3 -4.07/10 42 70.¦d1 -2.25/12 49 ¦g6 -4.33/10 36 71.¢c1 >>(£d5) -2.62/12 1:30 71...g2 -5.20/11 40 72.¦g1 -2.94/13 30 f2 -5.45/11 >> 34 73.¤xf2 -3.19/13 20 £xf2 (£f4+) -5.70/11 44 74.£d7+ -3.53/13 1:19 >>¢f6 -6.26/12 43 75.£xd6+ -3.56/13 1:12 ¢g5 -6.26/11 31 76.£d2+ (¦xg2+) >>-5.31/13 26 76...£xd2+ -12.25/15 27 77.¢xd2 -6.56/17 4 ¢f4 -12.74/16 >>27 78.¢e2 -8.28/19 33 ¢g3 -12.99/15 29 79.¢e3 (¢d3) -9.62/16 15 >>79...¦e6+ -#16/13 7 80.¢d3 (¢d2) -8.56/17 52 0-1 > > >Here is translation of the important part of the first game and the second game >to normal notation. > >I had to translate strange notations like £h4 to Qh4 > Sorry, I chose the wrong notation format it will be better for the next games. Thanks for your translation. >Fritz 7 (2700) - Hiarcs 8 (2690) [E86] >Athlon 1.2 Ghz, 120'/30+120'/30+30' My Place (2), 12.05.2002 > >W=15.4 ply; 694kN/s >B=12.9 ply; 125kN/s >1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.e4 d6 5.f3 0-0 6.Be3 e5 7.Nge2 c6 8.Qd2 Nbd7 >9.0-0-0 a6 10.Kb1 b5 11.Nc1 Qe7 [11...exd4 12.Bxd4 Re8 13.Nb3 Bf8 14.h4 b4 >15.Ne2 a5 16.h5 c5 17.Be3 a4 18.Nbc1 Nxh5 19.Bg5 Be7 20.Bxe7 Qxe7 21.g4 Bb7 >22.gxh5 Bxe4+ 23.fxe4 Qxe4+ 24.Nd3 Qxh1 25.Nef4 Qh4 26.Bg2 Rac8 27.hxg6 hxg6 >28.Rh1 Qf6 29.Bb7 Rcd8 30.Bc6 a3 31.b3 Qg7 32.Qg2 Kf8 33.Qg5 Kg8 34.Rh2 Qf6 >35.Qh6 Qg7 36.Qh3 Re7 37.Nd5 Re6 38.Nc7 Re7 39.Bxd7 Rexd7 40.Nd5 Qd4 41.Rh1 Kf8 >42.Qh6+ Qg7 43.Qg5 Qd4 44.Rh3 Kg7 45.Qh6+ Kg8 46.Rf3 Qg7 47.Nf6+ Kf8 48.Nxd7+ >Rxd7 49.Qf4 f5 50.Re3 Kf7 51.Qh4 Qf6 52.Qh7+ Qg7 53.Qh1 Qd4 54.Qh6 Qg7 55.Qh2 >Re7 56.Rg3 Re6 57.Rg2 Qd4 58.Qh7+ Kf8 59.Qh6+ Ke8 60.Nc1 Qe4+ 61.Rc2 f4 62.Qh3 >f3 63.Nd3 g5 64.Rd2 g4 65.Qh4 Qg6 66.Qh8+ Kf7 67.Qc8 Kg7 68.Qb7+ Qf7 69.Qc6 g3 >70.Rd1 Rg6 71.Kc1 g2 72.Rg1 f2 73.Nxf2 Qxf2 74.Qd7+ Kf6 75.Qxd6+ Kg5 76.Qd2+ >Qxd2+ 77.Kxd2 Kf4 78.Ke2 Kg3 79.Ke3 Re6+ 80.Kd3] 12.dxe5 dxe5 13.Nb3 Qb4 14.Qd6 >Qxd6 15.Rxd6 b4 16.Na4 Ne8 17.Rd2 f5 18.Na5 fxe4 19.Nxc6 Nef6 20.c5 exf3 21.gxf3 >Bb7 22.Ne7+ Kf7 23.c6 Kxe7 24.cxb7 Rab8 25.Bxa6 e4 26.Bf4 Ke6 27.Bxb8 Line > > >Uri
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