Author: Terry McCracken
Date: 10:21:59 05/13/02
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On May 13, 2002 at 11:45:13, James T. Walker wrote: >On May 13, 2002 at 11:35:58, Terry McCracken wrote: > >>On May 13, 2002 at 11:23:12, James T. Walker wrote: >> >>>On May 13, 2002 at 09:26:55, Chessfun wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>http://www.elhchess.demon.co.uk/ehss.htm >>>> >>>>.............BCF Elo.. Program >>>> >>>> 1 260 2686 Fritz7 >>>> 2 259 2670 Hiarcs8 (236 games from many sources) >>>> 3 257 2656 Gambit Tiger2.0 >>>> 4 256 2653 Deep Fritz6 >>>> 5 256 2652 Chess Tiger14 >>>> 6 255 2640 Shredder6/632 >>>> 7 253 2630 Junior7 >>>> 8 253 2624 Gambit Tiger1.0 >>>> 9 252 2623 Fritz6a >>>>10 252 2617 Rebel Century4 (236 games) >>>>11 250 2605 Rebel Tiger12.0 >>>>12 250 2603 Junior6a >>>>13 249 2599 Shredder5/532 >>>>14 248 2587 Hiarcs732 >>>>15 246 2574 Hiarcs 7.1 >>>>16 246 2572 Nimzo8 >>>>17 246 2568 Gandalf5 >>>>18 245 2566 Nimzo 732 >>>>19 245 2560 Fritz532 >>>>20 244 2556 Chessmaster 6000/7000 >>> >>>I wonder if they have a different Hiarcs 8 program than I do?????? >>>Jim >> >>No. However, these are human vs. computer games. >> >>Moreover, your comp. vs. comp. games, seems inconsistent to other comp. vs. >>comp. games, and it makes wonder what are you doing that may have an adverse >>effect with Hiarcs 8? >> >>Terry > >Hello Terry, >First of all they are NOT all human/computer games. Many are comp/comp games. >Second, I also would like to know what I'm doing to make Hiarcs 8 play so bad. >However I have posted ALL games except for I belive 1 set and they are open for >inspection/complaints/recommendations. Also most inconsistent result compared >to mine are engine/engine games with ponder off. That in my opinion is a very >questionable way to test engines. Of course if you are only trying to prove >which engine is best with ponder off and each engine competing for cpu time on 1 >cpu then that's fine. I just don't believe it's a real world situation. If you >or anyone else can tell me what I'm doing wrong to cause Hiarcs 8 to play >terrible I will be very happy! Just remember that I am occasionally switching >computers and so when Hiarcs loses to Fritz by 8-4 on one computer it has also >lost to Chess Tiger by 8.5-3.5 when using the computer that Fritz used before. >Please inspect the games and tell me what is wrong with my setup or with Hiarcs >8 program. >Jim Jim I really don't know, I don't have enough data to formulate a conclusion. What concerns me is you have made statements that may indeed hurt the sales of HIARCS 8 thus the programmer Mark Uniacke, however unintentional. Keep testing, but try long T/C's and very fast ones as well. Game 60' seems to not do H8 any justice? Still I can't be certain it wouldn't do better over time? It's still just too early to form any conclusions about H8 at this time. Regardless, it is still a very strong engine, _apparently_ stronger than it's predecessor H7.32, according to early tests on this board. I do suspect that H8 would benefit from very long T/C's on very fast hardware. However it would be nice if Mark Uniacke, would comment at this forum. It might clarify some issues on H8? Terry
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