Author: Jorge Pichard
Date: 11:10:46 05/13/02
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On May 13, 2002 at 13:26:40, James T. Walker wrote: >On May 13, 2002 at 13:21:59, Terry McCracken wrote: > >>On May 13, 2002 at 11:45:13, James T. Walker wrote: >> >>>On May 13, 2002 at 11:35:58, Terry McCracken wrote: >>> >>>>On May 13, 2002 at 11:23:12, James T. Walker wrote: >>>> >>>>>On May 13, 2002 at 09:26:55, Chessfun wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>http://www.elhchess.demon.co.uk/ehss.htm >>>>>> >>>>>>.............BCF Elo.. Program >>>>>> >>>>>> 1 260 2686 Fritz7 >>>>>> 2 259 2670 Hiarcs8 (236 games from many sources) >>>>>> 3 257 2656 Gambit Tiger2.0 >>>>>> 4 256 2653 Deep Fritz6 >>>>>> 5 256 2652 Chess Tiger14 >>>>>> 6 255 2640 Shredder6/632 >>>>>> 7 253 2630 Junior7 >>>>>> 8 253 2624 Gambit Tiger1.0 >>>>>> 9 252 2623 Fritz6a >>>>>>10 252 2617 Rebel Century4 (236 games) >>>>>>11 250 2605 Rebel Tiger12.0 >>>>>>12 250 2603 Junior6a >>>>>>13 249 2599 Shredder5/532 >>>>>>14 248 2587 Hiarcs732 >>>>>>15 246 2574 Hiarcs 7.1 >>>>>>16 246 2572 Nimzo8 >>>>>>17 246 2568 Gandalf5 >>>>>>18 245 2566 Nimzo 732 >>>>>>19 245 2560 Fritz532 >>>>>>20 244 2556 Chessmaster 6000/7000 >>>>> >>>>>I wonder if they have a different Hiarcs 8 program than I do?????? >>>>>Jim >>>> >>>>No. However, these are human vs. computer games. >>>> >>>>Moreover, your comp. vs. comp. games, seems inconsistent to other comp. vs. >>>>comp. games, and it makes wonder what are you doing that may have an adverse >>>>effect with Hiarcs 8? >>>> >>>>Terry >>> >>>Hello Terry, >>>First of all they are NOT all human/computer games. Many are comp/comp games. >>>Second, I also would like to know what I'm doing to make Hiarcs 8 play so bad. >>>However I have posted ALL games except for I belive 1 set and they are open for >>>inspection/complaints/recommendations. Also most inconsistent result compared >>>to mine are engine/engine games with ponder off. That in my opinion is a very >>>questionable way to test engines. Of course if you are only trying to prove >>>which engine is best with ponder off and each engine competing for cpu time on 1 >>>cpu then that's fine. I just don't believe it's a real world situation. If you >>>or anyone else can tell me what I'm doing wrong to cause Hiarcs 8 to play >>>terrible I will be very happy! Just remember that I am occasionally switching >>>computers and so when Hiarcs loses to Fritz by 8-4 on one computer it has also >>>lost to Chess Tiger by 8.5-3.5 when using the computer that Fritz used before. >>>Please inspect the games and tell me what is wrong with my setup or with Hiarcs >>>8 program. >>>Jim >> >>Jim I really don't know, I don't have enough data to formulate a conclusion. >> >>What concerns me is you have made statements that may indeed hurt the sales >>of HIARCS 8 thus the programmer Mark Uniacke, however unintentional. >> >>Keep testing, but try long T/C's and very fast ones as well. Game 60' seems to >>not do H8 any justice? Still I can't be certain it wouldn't do better over time? >> >>It's still just too early to form any conclusions about H8 at this time. >> >>Regardless, it is still a very strong engine, _apparently_ stronger than it's >>predecessor H7.32, according to early tests on this board. >> >>I do suspect that H8 would benefit from very long T/C's on very fast hardware. >> >>However it would be nice if Mark Uniacke, would comment at this forum. It might >>clarify some issues on H8? >> >>Terry > >Hello Terry, >Thanks for your comments. I will shut up about Hiarcs 8 but the games speak for >themselves. I will try some blitz games where others have posted good results >but they were using one computer with ponder off. I don't believe this is a >good test method because it is not a real situation that the programs would >normally be used in. I believe the auto232 setup is best. Maybe I will get on >the server and see if Hiarcs 8 does better on the server. Problem there is you >don't know what hardware you are playing against. >Jim James, the time that it take you to run a match of 12 games between HIARCS 8 versus any other engine at @G/60 = 4 games @120'/30+120'/30+30'. Just like I did run a match of 12 games @G/60 to see it for myself, you should select one of the best engine on top of the SSDF such as: Fritz 7, Shredder 6, or Chess Tiger 14. and let your auto 232 do the work for you. Simply give it a rest to those games @G/60, we have seen enough of those already. Pichard. Pichard.
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