Author: James T. Walker
Date: 05:00:09 05/15/02
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On May 15, 2002 at 01:41:49, Harald Faber wrote:
>On May 14, 2002 at 20:03:56, James T. Walker wrote:
>
>>Because of the quick win by Fritz I suspect there is something wrong with this
>>opening.
>>
>>[Event "Blitz:5'/Athlon 1.4G/512M"]
>
>
>Wow, THAT is a level...
>
>
>>[Site "MyTown"]
>>[Date "2002.05.14"]
>>[Round "4"]
>>[White "Fritz 7"]
>>[Black "Hiarcs 8"]
>>[Result "1-0"]
>>[ECO "B65"]
>>[PlyCount "47"]
>>[EventDate "2002.05.14"]
>>
>>{64MB, Hiarcs8.ctg, Athlon 1.4G/512M
>>} 1. e4 {0} 1... c5 {0} 2. Nf3 {0} 2... d6
>>{0} 3. d4 {(b3) 0} 3... cxd4 {0} 4. Nxd4 {0} 4... Nf6 {0} 5. Nc3 {0} 5... Nc6 {
>>0} 6. Bg5 {(Bc4) 0} 6... e6 {0} 7. Qd2 {0} 7... Be7 {0} 8. O-O-O {0} 8... O-O {
>>0} 9. f4 {0} 9... Nxd4 {0} 10. Qxd4 {0} 10... Qa5 {0} 11. Kb1 {(Bc4) 0} 11...
>>h6 {0} 12. h4 {0} 12... hxg5 {0} 13. hxg5 {0} 13... Ng4 {0} 14. Be2 {(Rh4) 0}
>>14... e5 {-0.62/9 20} 15. Nd5 {(Qd3) 0} 15... Bd8 {0.39/10 82} 16. Qd3 {0}
>>16... Nf2 {0.39/10 8} 17. Qg3 {0} 17... exf4 {4.45/9 62} 18. Qxf2 {(Qh4) 3}
>>18... Bxg5 {1.81/8 3} 19. g3 {(Rh5) 1} 19... f5 {3.74/8 23} 20. gxf4 {0} 20...
>>fxe4 {5.64/9 30} 21. Bc4 {(Qg2) 0} 21... Be6 {6.51/9 22} 22. Qg2 {0} 22... Rf5
>>{7.94/8 9} 23. Qxe4 {2} 23... Re8 {16.37/8 11} 24. fxg5 {Resigns 3} 1-0
>
>
>Again I do not get the point. You want to prove an opening line wrong by taking
>this BLITZ game into account???
>
>Sometimes...it is really helpful to take a longer time control. For example in
>the line you posted above. On my slow (!) 600MHz Athlon Hiarcs has
>
>14...e5 with -0.62/9/41s, -0.37/10/1min06, +0.52/10/2min07 and changes to
>14...f7-f5 after 5min17 (0.00/10), stays there at 0.00/11/9min56 and plays that
>move at TOURNAMENT timce control after 11min10.
>
>I don't know whether this saves the day, but it is definitely of other quality
>than your g/5... I call it SHIT and not test. Such games have no value of
>anything concerning CHESS. It is indeed counting games and numbers to see
>rankings in 5min games, but it has NOTHING to do with CHESS.
>
>If the base of your disappointing results and assumed crappy opening book are
>such games, well there is no need to say anything more, this speaks for itself.
>
>And it leaves a bitter taste of what you, Chris and some others try to do here.
Hello Harald,
I never said the Hiarcs book was bad! I only tried to offer it as one of the
possibilities for my results. I offered this because the Hiarcs 7.32 book had
problems. In trying to find out if Hiarcs had problems with it's own book I
searched all the games looking for games in which it came out of book with a bad
score. The game above is one game I found. There are a few more. I realize
that generally the programs and books are "tuned" to win at 40/2 for SSDF
purposes but these programs are expected to play "Blitz" also.
Yes I'm counting games and numbers period. I believe that no matter what the
time control used that the results are to be considered as part of the overall
performance. I don't believe you can take one position and say "Look, my
program solves this faster than any other program and therfore it is great". I
also don't believe that you can find one time control where a program performs
well and say that this is the only time control you can play against this
program. As for my disappointing results, they are not contrived or made up. I
am searching desperately for a reason. It is possible I have found the reason
but I will not know for several days/weeks. I have to run my test all over
again. I am an avid Hiarcs 7.32 fan. I was very happy with Hiarcs 7.32. If
you have seen my posted results then you should be able to understand my
disappointment with Hiarcs 8. I have seen you post good results here and so I
understand why you are pleased with Hiarcs 8. I have asked for help/solutions
from anyone with any ideas. Some people simply want to attack my methods or my
hardware. They don't seem to realize that the opponents of Hiarcs 8 are running
on the exact same machines which are sometimes switched.
Jim
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