Author: Chris Carson
Date: 06:42:49 05/15/02
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On May 15, 2002 at 09:18:54, Andrew Williams wrote: >On May 14, 2002 at 19:34:29, Chris Carson wrote: > >>On May 14, 2002 at 19:26:17, martin fierz wrote: >> >>>On May 14, 2002 at 19:04:18, Chris Carson wrote: >>> >>>>On May 14, 2002 at 18:56:05, Mogens Larsen wrote: >>>> >>>>>On May 14, 2002 at 17:39:32, Chris Carson wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>Very nice interview. My thanks to GM Smirin, he seemed to be very "open and >>>>>>honest" with his assessment. I think all of his comments are very telling and >>>>>>the programmers and our forum should take note. I found the follwoing points >>>>>>very interesting (just fit my own interests): >>>>>> >>>>>>1. Computers seemed to avoid main lines. >>>>>>2. Having White is very important against a computer. >>>>>>3. Computers weak in closed positions and very strong in open positions. >>>>>>4. He found himself tired, even with the breaks and shorter time controls. >>>[snipped back in] >>>>>>5. He would like a rematch. >>> >>>>> >>>>>point 4 isn't correct according to the interview. Neither tired nor >>>>>exhausted. That's your interpretation without any basis in the text. >>>>> >>>>>Regards, >>>>>Mogens >>>> >>>>As usual Mogen, you are wrong: >>>> >>>>"Well, even though we played only four games per week, which helped me to pull >>>>myself together between the games, it wasn’t so easy psychologically. As a >>>>result, I lost concentration a few times during the match and it cost me at >>>>least 0.5 point (and it could be even more if the computer was more accurate!)! >>>>It’s just not so simple to play chess when you know that you have to avoid >>>>certain kind of positions, even if your intuition is telling you it’s >>>>objectively correct to go for them! However, I think I managed to withstand the >>>>pressure, and at the moment I’m full of energy and not tired at all! >>>>" >>>> >>>>A loss of concentration is "tired" or "exhausted", that is a psychological fact. >>> >>> >>>read his lips please... and look at the games. >>>"it was not easy psychologically" is given as reason for the loss of >>>concentration. not tired or exhausted. this is not the same. >>>if you look at the games, you will also understand what he means - e.g. the >>>aborted game junior-smirin, where smirin had an easy draw as black, and was >>>probably thinking along the lines "this is an easy draw and these comps are weak >>>in the ending anyway, so why don't i just move back and forth a bit, nothing can >>>happen here". he lost his concentration in this game not because he was tired, >>>but because he underestimated junior. >>>i know you have your agenda with this tired thing... don't let it influence you >>>too much :-) >> >>I do not have an agenda, although it is clear that you and Mogens do. I am a >>psychologist. I have a PhD in psychology. I specialize in "cognitive" and >>"cognitive/behaviorism". A loss of concentration is due to being tired, >>fatigued or exhausted or stress by definition. >> > >Perhaps you're using the term "loss of concentration" in some formal, >psychological sense, in which case you'd have to convince me that this is the >sense that Smirin meant too. This is a good point. Perhaps there is a difference in perspective here. > >I think one can lose concentration for all sorts of reasons, in a more informal >sense. For example, you could get bored, or hungry, or you could be distracted >by something. When I'm working at home, I often get distracted by cats which >squabble in the road where I live. In a competition you could lose concentration >because you underestimate your opponents, or you think your opponent is offside >and you expect the referee to blow the whistle. I've seen the football team I >support lose concentration at set-pieces shortly after they have gone two goals >up. I don't think that the phrase "loss of concentration" is restricted to >situations where fatigue or stress is involved. At least, not in the vernacular. > >Andrew You could be right here.
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