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Subject: Re: Hiarcs 8 vs Fritz 7 @ Very L O N G Time Control !

Author: Ian Aston

Date: 02:01:30 05/18/02

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On May 18, 2002 at 02:23:18, Uri Blass wrote:

>On May 17, 2002 at 15:11:58, Ian Aston wrote:
>
>>On May 17, 2002 at 13:15:19, Uri Blass wrote:
>>
>>>On May 17, 2002 at 12:24:27, Brian Katz wrote:
>>>
>>>>On May 16, 2002 at 19:03:49, Jorge Pichard wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On May 16, 2002 at 19:00:52, Jorge Pichard wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>These 6 games were played with Nimzo8.ctg and 64 MB hashtable. Average time
>>>>>>control 4 minutes per move. Final score 3.5 to 2.5 in favor of Hiarcs 8. I would
>>>>>>like to continue , but these games are too l o n g.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I would like to know if other people can get better results using other Opening
>>>>>>Books? Even at shorter time control.
>>>>>
>>>>>PS: I also have Blitz games if you need to compare them later.
>>>>>
>>>>>Pichard.
>>>>
>>>>I recently ran an engine tournament on my 350 MHz Pent II.
>>>>Time control 1/1 hash tables set at 8. I have 384 SD RAM.
>>>>I thought Hiarcs would excel at the longer time controls rather than the shorter
>>>>time controls. This was with the Hiarcs 8 using the CD book. This was before I
>>>>downloaded the new upgrade. Fritz 7 used it's own book of course.
>>>>I was quite suprised with these results.
>>>>
>>>>game 1-1 Eatontown  2002
>>>>
>>>>	                 1	 2	 3	 4	 5
>>>>1	Hiarcs 8	****	0½1½	½11½	1111	110½   11.5/16
>>>>2	Shredder 6.02	1½0½	****	0100	001½	1111	8.5/16
>>>>3	Shredder 6	½00½	1011	****	½½½1	0010	7.5/16
>>>>4	Fritz 7	        0000	110½	½½½0	****	1101	7.0/16
>>>>5	Crafty 18.14	001½	0000	1101	0010	****	5.5/16
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>In longer time controls Fritz 7 seems to come out quite a bit ahead of Hiarcs 8.
>>>>Too soon to tell. Any similar results out there?
>>>
>>>I have not Hiarcs8 but I am not surprised because Hiarcs was also in the past
>>>relatively better in blitz.
>>>
>>>I see no reason to expect Hiarcs to do better at longer time control.
>>>It has not special search rules for long time control or special evaluation to
>>>know things that cannot be discovered by search(for example fortress positions).
>>>
>>>Uri
>>
>>On the other hand, the programmer says that the Hiarcs 8 search is capable of
>>reaching 1-3 iterations deeper than Hiarcs 7.32. Surely this must count for
>>something at longer time controls.
>
>I do not see why only at long time control.
>It should help at all time controls.


Perhaps I should have said, the article also states, that the Hiarcs 7.32 search
was prone to exploding at plies of 10 or over. If the change in the shape of the
search tree has fixed this problem then it should help with long time controls.
Anyway, I suppose we will find out when it is included in the SSDF ratings and
we can see the difference between HIarcs 7.32 and Hiarcs 8.

IA

>
>Uri



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