Author: Torstein Hall
Date: 01:41:28 05/20/02
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On May 19, 2002 at 23:44:35, Christophe Theron wrote: >On May 19, 2002 at 15:43:59, Torstein Hall wrote: > >>On May 19, 2002 at 11:49:18, Christophe Theron wrote: >> >>>On May 19, 2002 at 02:24:13, pavel wrote: >>> >>>>On May 19, 2002 at 02:16:39, Christophe Theron wrote: >>>> >>>>>On May 18, 2002 at 23:24:53, pavel wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On May 18, 2002 at 18:47:31, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>Hello, >>>>>>> >>>>>>>With pleasure i announce the results of >>>>>>>gcc 3.1 versus microsoft visual c++ 6.0 >>>>>>>sp4 processor pack. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Till recently nothing kicked it at the K7, except >>>>>>>intel c++ 5.01 (but newer editions of intel were way >>>>>>>way slower than msvc). >>>>>>> >>>>>>>For DIEP gcc 3.1 is about 5% faster than msvc is. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Note that msvc 6.0 sp4 + processor pack is about >>>>>>>2% faster than any other msvc version is for me >>>>>>>(at least what everyone can get somehow in the >>>>>>>shop + download). it's 2% faster than msvc 7.0 NET >>>>>>>for example or msvc 6.0 sp5 procpack, because >>>>>>>it seems the optimizations turned on in the processor >>>>>>>pack for msvc 6 sp4 are not working for other service >>>>>>>packs. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Now a FREE compiler is faster, which is pretty shocking! >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Time to compiler my GUI for linux! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>What makes you think the guys at MS makes MSVC for Chess Programs? >>>>>>Speed is only important in Chess Programs (or similar programs thats speed >>>>>>dependend). >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Sure, they added speed optimization only for chess programmers, and anyway who >>>>>cares about chess programs? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>In speed maybe other compilers are better, but what makes the differance is the >>>>>>overall performance and features. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>What makes the difference is the fact that it is recommended by big brother, and >>>>>that you are going to have compatibility problems with the next version of big >>>>>brother's browser/disoperating system if you do not use big brother's compiler. >>>>> >>>>>Now that's quite a feature. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>I personally wouldnt care less bashing on MS for this reason. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>He didn't bash MS for this. He just said that GCC 3.1 is faster for his program. >>>>> >>>>>Anyway, saying that a Microsoft product sucks isn't bashing. Most of the time it >>>>>is true. And when it is not, the fact that they want to push it into your throat >>>>>at any price is a reason good enough for bashing them. >>>>> >>>>>Bash Microsoft everyday. If you do not know why, I can tell you that THEY know >>>>>why (and you'll discover it later). >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>If you dont like MSVC use GCC (free save money!), dont like MSWindows, use Linux >>>>>>(free save money!) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>If you do not like Windows... say it. >>>>> >>>>>And yes, try to move to Linux if possible. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Obviously this thread or discussion is not directed towards MS but rather at >>>>>>Eugene, it doesnt take a genius to figure that out. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>There are smart and respectable people working for Microsoft. Eugene is one of >>>>>them IMO. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Christophe >>>> >>>> >>>>Me not MS slave. >>>>Me not MS fan. >>>>Me use Linux too. >>>>Me like Linux. >>>>Me bash MS too, but not unessesary. >>>> >>>>Me waiting for CT15. >>>> >>>>;) >>>>pavs >>> >>> >>> >>>It is coming... ;-) >>> >>>BTW I'm trying Linux too, but I can't get used to it. I thought it was small and >>>elegant, but actually it is as bloated as Windows and quite slower. >>> >>>And too hard to use. The guys who write programs for Linux only have the >>>experienced users in mind. Fatal mistake. >>> >>>Shit. I really hoped to get rid of Windows, but Linux is still not ready. >>> >>> >>> >>> Christophe >> >>We tried to set up an PC with some free Linux pack called Star Office, or >>something like that, at the office. It was so slow as to be usless on a 500Mhz >>Celleron. I have to admit that we did not work very hard to optimise etc. but >>that should not be needed for a simple Wordporocessing and Spreadsheet PC. >> >>Torstein > > >StarOffice is known to be big and slow. > >Maybe what you are looking for is the Koffice suite (several simple office >programs like a word processor and spreadsheet) or CrossOffice (allows to >install and run the real MS Office under Linux, yes, and it works fine!) > > > > Christophe Thanks for the tip Christophe, but I think I will have a hard time to get our system department to try out a Linux package again...... But as long as it is free, compared to the insane pricing MS is trying for their newer Windows variations, I got to try again. (I actually find Win XP a excelent product at a wrong pricepoint. We will probably not use it before pricing becomes much more reasonable!) Torstein
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