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Subject: Re: Are we still waiting better "amateur" than Crafty?

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 03:16:32 05/20/02

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On May 20, 2002 at 05:57:24, Yuriy Lyapko wrote:

>On May 20, 2002 at 04:52:00, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On May 20, 2002 at 04:33:45, Pham Minh Tri wrote:
>>
>>>On May 20, 2002 at 04:15:14, Jouni Uski wrote:
>>>
>>>>I wonder, if there will ever be significantly stronger amateur/free engine than
>>>>Crafty? With significant I mean 30-50 rating points . Of course ever is very
>>>>long time... If some engine reaches that performance may be it goes to
>>>>commercial
>>>>soon.
>>>
>>>Firstly, Crafty is not amateur as metioned of Bob.
>>
>>Crafty is an amateur by the definition that says that every engines that is not
>>sold is an amatuer.
>>
>> Secondly, depend on versions,
>>>time control and other conditions, some free engines sometimes have already
>>>higher ratings. For example, I see in one rating list (at
>>>http://www.wbholmes.de/elo/eloceleron.txt) Yacce 2548, Crafty 2495. Not all
>>>strong ones will go to commercial, sometimes some of them (like LambChop) come
>>>back as a freeware.
>>
>>I guess that Lambchop comes back as freeware because it is not strong enough and
>>is slightly weaker than Crafty based on peter's opinion.
>>
>>About yace I do not know the reason that Dieter did not choose to do it
>>commercial.
>>
>>I hope that at least he is not going to give for free a version that is clearly
>>better than the latest yace.
>>
>>Uri
>
>1.The strength of an engine is not the main feature of the commercial program
>(it MUST have at least nice own GUI, good doc's, user support etc.).

No
The strength of the engine is the only imprtant thing.
If the engine is strong enough chessbase or Rebel are going to be happy to sell
it.

They will care for the GUI.

>2.Why we always talk about money? If I do something as a programmer for
>pleasure, why should I ask money for it? In this case (at least, for me) it will
>be no fun anymore, it will be my second job...
>
>At least, what do you think, why mr.Hyatt didn't make his Crafty commercial?
>
>Best regards,
>George

I believe that Crafty is done as a university project so Bob earns money
indirectly from it(part of his research in university is to develop crafty).

Bob can correct me if I am wrong.

Uri



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