Author: Marc van Hal
Date: 12:13:45 05/20/02
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On May 19, 2002 at 09:32:51, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >On May 18, 2002 at 20:22:56, Jorge Pichard wrote: > >You're making yourself impossible here. > >at the site you can see that for $15 they assemble the >machine for you. A dual MP 1.6Ghz being 600 dollar cheaper. > >O yes i already know your comments: "you forgot the mousepad". > >Well i've got plenty, just like i don't need a new monitor and >a new keyboard nor a new mouse because i've got a Switchview. > >What i'm clearly showing is that if you put together parts or >let a company do it, you always are off cheaper than buying >one of the 'deals'. > >Only in europe it's impossible to get this machine for this >price. Socialism has put up prices 40% or more here for hardware. > >MP1900 processors are more like 389 euro here than they are 180$ >in the USA. Nearly 2 times more expensive. > >>On May 18, 2002 at 14:19:19, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >> >>>On May 18, 2002 at 12:31:20, Jorge Pichard wrote: >>> >>>ok buying a dual MP, is not out of reach. >>>If you can spent $2000 for a stupid computer. >>> >>>Let's take some components together: >>> >>>i take a random site i see from pricewatch: www.monarchcomputer.com >>> 2 x mp1900 = 2 x $198 = 396$ >>> tyan tiger S2460 = 168$ >>> 2 x 256 reg corsair = 170$ >>> dvd player = 59$ >>> case + 430 watts enermx = 168$ >>> seagate barracuda4 40GB = 89$ >>> 2 x Zalman CNPS5500-ALCU = 110$ >>> floppy 1.44 = 14$ >>> >>>if you would want a sound card, one of the better is: >>> soundcard live 5.1 = 45$ >>> >>>this company only seems to have expensive nic cards. My own >>>very well working 100mbit nic (works everywhere, linux, windows, >>>whereas the expensive 'ethernet express' is not so easy to get >>>to work in win2000) i got around around the corner for $12. >>> >>>together with that $12 nic card the total >>>price of this system is: 1231$ >> >>You and I and 10% of the CCC member can build a system like this, but for the >>rest 90% of the CCC members, they simply don't want to bother or have the time >>and patience to build one. >> >>Now If you compare this system with the one that you recommended from monarch, >>without the Keyboard and speakers, it is NOT such a great deal at all. >> >>http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?sku=TSA-21-10AX >> >>http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=M&Product_Code=90753&Category_Code=GAMING >> >>And remember this was meant for people looking for a great deal NOT for the few >>of us that like to assemble our own computers. >> >>Pichard. >> >>>Now all you need is a graphics card. I would go for a cheap $25 >>>card, others go for a fast and expensive geforce. >>> >>>for $15 they put the system together for you and i didn't even >>>take cheapest offers here. >>> >>>Don't know what shipping machine to you costs in USA, probably >>>pretty cheap too. >>> >>>Regrettably only in europe we don't have such big competition >>>as in the USA. >>> >>>I bet you can get the above system for similar prices in many >>>stores in the US. >>> >>>>On May 18, 2002 at 10:18:46, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >>>> >>>>>On May 18, 2002 at 08:41:50, Jorge Pichard wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On May 18, 2002 at 08:15:27, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On May 17, 2002 at 21:32:45, Jorge Pichard wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>sure you can compare it for computerchess. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>the XP2100 is faster than the XP2000! >>>>>> >>>>>>Yes I understand that for Chess the speed of the processor count for 98%, but >>>>>>you don't get the performance of a Ferrari Testarosa by simply buying a Ferrari >>>>>>engine and mount it on your $45,000 car. >>>>> >>>>>cars are different from computers. for computerchess the processor is >>>>>like 95% of the performance. Nowadays fast memory also is a 5% of the speed >>>>>or so. >>>> >>>>The same for a car the engine give almost 95% of the performance of a car, but >>>>if you don't get your leather seat, automatic gadgets and good sound system, a >>>>nice looking frame = design, then you will be disatisfied a few days later and >>>>for the rest as long as you drive it. Therefore, if you want a good quality >>>>equipment, one part is not equal to the total of all the parts being of good >>>>quality. >>>> >>>>>Video speed doesn't count simply. Even the most idiotic $25 card is >>>>>fast enough. >>>> >>>>Again it is NOT just Speed that matter, but quality of the peripherals >>>> >>>>> >>>>>Sound chip doesn't count. >>>>> >>>>>and so on. in short the only interesting thing is the speed of the >>>>>processor, only followed at a huge distance by memory speed. >>>>> >>>>>Also your machine is a single cpu machine, so it's not even a ferrari, >>>>>it's a nissan micra at most. >>>>> >>>>>A real machine is a dual K7 MP1900 or MP2000 machine!! >>>> >>>>>Best regards, >>>>>Vincent >>>> >>>>Also we are NOT talking any longer of a great deal for what you are paying for, >>>>since a dual MP2000 is out of the reach for 75% of us, and even if you can >>>>afford it, the benefit that you are getting from a Dual MP mobo is less than 50 >>>>points from what I posted. >>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Pichard. >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Note i never buy complete systems i always buy parts >>>>>>>and put them together just hours before world champs... >>>>>>>...each 2 years. This year i play with nearly same machine! >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On May 17, 2002 at 20:42:36, Chessfun wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>On May 17, 2002 at 20:35:48, Jorge Pichard wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?sku=V133-1062 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Yes. >>>>>>>>>http://www.asseenontvpc.com/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Sorry you can NOT compare the quality of the peripherals of that computer to the >>>>>>>>one that I mentioned, but here is one that have low quality components similar >>>>>>>>to the one that you posted, even cheaper. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?sku=TSA-21-10AX Well if it is about money I almost bought once a computer from Whekamp which I did not and later on regret it It was a Hewlet packard full equiped,inclusief Software pakage, monitor17 inch and 1 year full service inc a Pioneer DVD rewriter for Fl 1900.,- Later on the DVD writer alone would have cost about this price. Which shows sometimes it is not even best to buy from a computerstore. I later on bought a computer with a soundblaster live 5.1 inc the nomad boxes (these where free) Later on these boxes alone where from the same price as the soundblaster alone. (Though I actualy think the Sounblaster does not come to it's right with 2 boxes espacialy not if you look at DVD's.) But I had to send back the computer three times before it was ok. But If I buy a computer I always build a computer myself And let it esamblage it by the company So it has exactly what I want. Regards Marc
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