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Subject: Re: Are we still waiting better "amateur" than Crafty?

Author: Miguel A. Ballicora

Date: 12:45:46 05/20/02

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On May 20, 2002 at 14:50:05, Russell Reagan wrote:

>On May 20, 2002 at 04:15:14, Jouni Uski wrote:
>
>>I wonder, if there will ever be significantly stronger amateur/free engine than
>>Crafty? With significant I mean 30-50 rating points . Of course ever is very
>>long time... If some engine reaches that performance may be it goes to
>>commercial
>>soon.
>>
>>Jouni
>
>As others have pointed out, Crafty is not "amateur". Bob is easily an "expert"
>on computer chess. You could rightly refer to him as a computer chess
>"professional", since Crafty is a large part (I assume) of what his job as a
>professor has entailed over the years, along with other computer chess programs.
>
>When I hear something refered to as "amateur", it generally means that it's
>lower quality. There are plenty of amateur chess engine's out there developed

I heard this before. However, I think that it is an interpretation common only
in US. The word amateur, as it was used originally (and still used in other
parts of the world), does not mean low quality.
IMHO, Crafty is not amateur for other reasons. His author received money
directly or indirectly to work on the area of computer chess, at least in the
past. I think that "free" and "academic" are better words to categorize it.
I think that pro and amateur are today better described by the amount of
steroids you can find in the system :-)

Regards,
Miguel



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>computer chess hobbyists. Those are definitely amateur. Just because something
>is free doesn't mean it's poor quality. So what you were really asking is if
>there is a better "free" chess engine than crafty yet.
>
>In addition, if you read Bob's webpage where it talks about Crafty, you would
>know that his primary goal is not to make the strongest possible chess program
>that he can. He has other academic research interests such as creating more
>scalable search techniques, among other things I'm sure.
>
>I imagine that a guy with Bob's talents would be able to write a commercial
>strength chess program if that was his goal, but he has other interests, and
>creating a computer chess program is just his way of doing his research. He
>could have just as easily created a checkers program to do some of his research.
>
>Anyway, I'll stop the Bob praise post :)
>
>Russell



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