Author: martin fierz
Date: 17:04:21 05/20/02
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On May 20, 2002 at 10:15:44, Rolf Tueschen wrote: >Let me demonstrate a little thought experiment. If I would gauge (in 2002) the >actually most known chess programs against say 1000 human chess players (first >step) to get some insight into the Elo numbers, I would expect that the top >programs would at best get Elo performances of 2200 - 2350, if I let the engines 2200? you must be kidding! my rating is 2240 FIDE and even if i start all my games against fritz with 1.h3 or some other (quite sensible) moves to take it out of the book, i have no chance against it. maybe someone here could experiment with a few top programs using no book against other top programs. >How many years from now it will take to develop a real chessplaying robot who >could participate in human tournaments completely on his own? Buying new books >he reads, asking collegues for some information about this or that, >differentiating between truth, lies and irony. ;-) i wonder why you have a problem with chess engines using opening books. is it that they did not find these moves on their own? if yes: can i ask you about your opinion on a computer-generated opening book? that is, an opening book which the chess engine works on day and night, finding opening lines all by itself? it stores this information and can retrieve it instantly and without failure (unlike humans), but unlike today's opening books it has computed everything itself. the reason i ask is that my checkers program has exactly such an opening book. after only a few weeks of analysis of checkers openings, my book contains much of the human opening theory for checkers, and some corrections of it. everything was discovered by the engine itself. it could never find some of the moves "over the board", but this book just serves as a memory for it's analysis - very much like a human chess master. computing such an opening book for chess is much harder, since there are many more viable moves. but if you went on to write a screen saver application to distribute the task, who knows - maybe something good will come of it. incidentally, this is just what dann corbit is doing. jeroen noomen once wrote me he also has had some success with automated opening book construction in chess. aloha martin
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