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Subject: Re: Nullmove implementation

Author: Vincent Diepeveen

Date: 08:23:22 05/21/02

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On May 20, 2002 at 08:15:26, Uri Blass wrote:

Uhm more than 8 ply?

How about 2 ply?

process 0: engineflags = 0 denktime=10000000 maxtime=10000000
00:00 0 0 8 (0) 1 0.528 Bc5xe3 Nf1xe3
00:00 0 0 26 (0) 1 1.470 Bc5-d6
00:00 0 0 105 (0) 1 2.334 Bc8-g4
00:00 0 0 341 (0) 2 2.244 Bc8-g4 Qf3-f2
00:00 0 0 2096 (0) 3 3.839 Bc8-g4 Qf3-f2 d5-d4 Bd3-c4 Nf6-d5
00:00 0 0 9758 (0) 4 4.323 Bc8-g4 Qf3-f2 d5-d4 Ra1-e1 d4xe3 Nf1xe3 Nf6-e4 Bd3xe4
 Re8xe4
00:00 0 0 21175 (0) 5 4.738 Bc8-g4 Qf3-f2 d5-d4 Ra1-e1 Nf6-d5 Be3xd4 Bc5xd4
00:00 0 0 47761 (0) 6 4.738 Bc8-g4 Qf3-f2 d5-d4 Ra1-e1 Nf6-d5 Be3xd4 Bc5xd4
00:01 0 0 75563 (0) 7 4.738 Bc8-g4 Qf3-f2 d5-d4 Ra1-e1 Nf6-d5 Be3xd4 Bc5xd4
00:02 0 0 218842 (0) 8 5.144 Bc8-g4 Qf3-f2 d5-d4 Ra1-e1 Nf6-d5 Bd3-c4 d4xe3 Nf1x
e3 Re8xe3 Bc4xd5 c6xd5 Re1xe3
00:06 0 0 538842 (0) 9 5.144 Bc8-g4 Qf3-f2 d5-d4 Ra1-e1 Nf6-d5 Bd3-c4 d4xe3 Nf1x
e3 Re8xe3 Bc4xd5 c6xd5 Re1xe3

>On May 20, 2002 at 07:45:25, Matthias Gemuh wrote:
>
>>>
>>>You can try the following position:
>>>
>>>r1b1r1k1/p1p3pp/2p2n2/2bp4/5P2/3BBQPq/PPPK3P/R4N1R b - - 0 1
>>>
>>>My program solved it at the same depth with and without null move pruning but
>>>null move helped it to find the move faster.
>>>
>>>It was not a very big improvement.
>>>There were also positions when my program needed more time but the total result
>>>is better.
>>>
>>>Uri
>>
>>
>>Slow HyLogic starts searching ply 8 after 2min 15sec without nullmove on Athlon
>>1.4. This time drops to 1min 25sec with nullmove. Best move is in both cases
>>"d4". So nullmove seems to help. Thanks.
>>
>>Matthias.
>
>Best move is Bg4.
>
>Maybe Hylogic needs more than 8 plies.
>
>Movei needed only 8 plies to find Bg4 with and without null move but it is
>possible that movei does better extensions than Hylogic in that position.
>
>Uri



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