Author: Jorge Pichard
Date: 09:20:52 05/21/02
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On May 21, 2002 at 11:07:46, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >On May 21, 2002 at 10:13:29, K. Burcham wrote: > >The answer is as simple as clear. > >They can use programs to analyze games with from other GMs >and themselves. They can use it to analyze variations from their >openings preparation with. > >But they can't learn from it. What about tactically, can a player less than 2400 learn a few tricks from the best programs? Jorge > >Whatever commercial propaganda says about chessproducts, they >are weaker in all respects than a GM, except one: they always >play a move at the same level. > >GM is everywhere better than a program, but doesn't have a >level that is always above the constant line the program has. > >So a GM can't learn anything from the program, except use it to >analyze with. > >> >>not discussing opening book moves. >>not discussing egtb's. >>not discussing a pawn promotion. >> >> >> >>lets start out saying GM eval is 0, and program eval is 0. >>lots of time left on both clocks. time is not an issue. >> >>the GM makes a move and plays what he sees as a safe move. >>GM took three minutes to move, but he cannot see the material winning >>combination for the program. >>the program takes three more minutes to see material winning move. >>finally program plays winning move, and GM can see combination. >> >>program wins. >> >>If GM's cannot learn strategy from programs, if GM's can only learn tactics, >>then the question is: in the above described game , it would seem that most of >>the time the GM cannot learn tactics either. if the combination is too deep for >>the GM to see he loses material, then he cannot see this in another game. >> >>Just wondering how a GM can learn from home practice with programs. >>it would seem that in a postion were the GM could play a losing move and he >>cannot see the deep combination, but the program can, he could not have won >>anyway. >> >>maybe some will answer that this is not possible. maybe some will say there >>is no posiiton that the program can see winning material but GM cannot. >> >>of course i am not refering to an simple oversight by the GM. i am not refering >>to a simple human blunder. i am refering to a situation that the GM says he >>could not see the combination until it was played out. >> >>kburcham
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