Author: Dann Corbit
Date: 13:49:18 05/21/02
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On May 21, 2002 at 16:46:34, martin fierz wrote: >On May 21, 2002 at 13:34:32, Dann Corbit wrote: > >>On May 21, 2002 at 12:34:39, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >>[snip] >>>GMs know tactically more than programs, so you can analyze with them, >>>but not learn from them. The computer doesnt 'show' a new pattern concept >>>to you. So you don't learn from the computer something. You can learn >>>yourself only when analyzing with computers, that's why i say you can't >>>learn FROM the computer. >> >>What about a novelty discovered from long time analysis by some program? If the >>GM remembered the novelty and used it, wouldn't that be learning from a >>computer? >> >>What about probing a desired line for deep tactical shots? >> >>I don't think computers will show GM's any techniques. But I think they can >>demonstrate facts. The GM's can make important inferences from these facts. > >the question is how you define "learning". there is "rote learning" which is >learning a move by heart even though you don't really understand or couldnt find >it yourself - this is what GMs can and do use computers for: to analyze their >opening novelties they use fritz & friends, especially in sharp positions. what >i would call "real" learning is to learn a new concept, or a new pattern. now if >you study chess with a strong player, he can explain this concept to you. if you >work with a computer, all you get is that some move loses tactically because of >a long combination. if seeing one such combination increased your tactical >skills, yes, you would be learning from the computer. but i think chances are >slim that this happens. I am not sure that I agree. If they just blindly remember the computer choice, that would be rote learning. But if they examined the pv to see why it was a good choice, then it isn't just rote learning. If it can show them something that makes their game stronger (in either case) it is some kind of learning.
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