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Subject: Re: Rating Points and Evaluation Function

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 15:25:14 05/21/02

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On May 21, 2002 at 17:35:54, Uri Blass wrote:

>On May 21, 2002 at 16:26:04, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On May 20, 2002 at 14:47:24, Eric Baum wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>OK then:
>>>(1) How much have computer programs benefitted from additional
>>>features? Remove all additional features from the top programs
>>>except material/piece-square table, and how many rating points would you lose?
>>>I'm guessing less than 100, but do you have another estimate?
>>
>>No idea.  For Crafty, all improvements over the last 3+ years have
>>been _exclusively_ in the evaluation.  I haven't changed the search
>>at all...
>>
>>
>>>
>>>(2) Are there any programs with significant ability to discover new
>>>features, or are essentially all the features programmed in by hand.
>>>If you believe there are programs that discover useful new features,
>>>how many rating points do you think they have gained?
>>>And can you give me some idea of what type of algorithm was used?
>>
>>You are talking about "learning" as humans do it (discover new features).
>>I don't know of _any_ program that does this.  Some use pre-defined features,
>>but twaddle with the weights associated with them.  But that is very crude
>>in comparison to human learning.
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>Also, for comparison, does anybody have a recent estimate of rating
>>>point gain per additional ply of search?
>>
>>50-70 seems to be current value...  has been for years too...
>
>50-70 is the advantage for doubling the speed of the computer but programs have
>brancing factor that is bigger than 2 so it means more than 50-70 per additional
>ply.
>
>Uri


Sorry...

You are correct.  My branching factor is around 3.0, which means that
1 doubling would get me less than a ply.  two doublings more than a ply.

Perhaps 100 would have been a better number...




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