Author: Dann Corbit
Date: 15:35:57 05/21/02
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On May 21, 2002 at 18:14:44, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>On May 21, 2002 at 17:28:45, Peter McKenzie wrote:
>
>>On May 21, 2002 at 11:07:46, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>>
>>>On May 21, 2002 at 10:13:29, K. Burcham wrote:
>>>
>>>The answer is as simple as clear.
>>>
>>>They can use programs to analyze games with from other GMs
>>>and themselves. They can use it to analyze variations from their
>>>openings preparation with.
>>>
>>>But they can't learn from it.
>>>
>>>Whatever commercial propaganda says about chessproducts, they
>>>are weaker in all respects than a GM, except one: they always
>>>play a move at the same level.
>>>
>>>GM is everywhere better than a program, but doesn't have a
>>>level that is always above the constant line the program has.
>>
>>You overlook *at least* one area that the program is better in: any endgame that
>>is in tablebases! Even GMs can have trouble with simple rook endgames, and they
>>are quite terrible at Queen endgames.
>
>No i don't overlook it. The question is whether they can learn from
>it. My answer is: NO the thing doesn't explain why a move is good.
>
>To explain it in children language:
>
>If EGTB says in position X: best move is Rh4 mate in 40, it doesn't
>explain why in the general casus this move is good.
Yace output:
white ( 1): input: setboard 8/1P6/8/5k2/2K4p/7r/1r4p1/6R1 b - - bm Rg3;
Stored 8 learned positions into hash table
black ( 1): input: go
usetime = 19.93, mintime = 9.97 maxtime = 49.83 tl 598.00 ml 40
2 0.006 6.82 1t 1...Rxb7 2.Rxg2 {580}
18 0.013 7.22 1t 1...Rg3 {580}
44 0.020 7.22 1. 1...Rg3 {580}
110 0.026 8.88 2++ 1...Rg3 2.Kd5 Rxb7 {660}
127 0.033 8.88 2t 1...Rg3 2.Kd5 {580}
364 0.040 8.88 2. 1...Rg3 2.Kd5 {580}
467 0.046 8.88 3t 1...Rg3 2.Kd5 Rxb7 {660}
1052 0.053 8.88 3. 1...Rg3 2.Kd5 Rxb7 {660}
1950 0.062 9.03 4t 1...Rg3 2.b8=Q Rxb8 3.Kd5 {660}
3323 0.069 9.03 4. 1...Rg3 2.b8=Q Rxb8 3.Kd5 {660}
6006 0.079 9.30 5t 1...Rg3 2.Kd5 h3 3.b8=Q Rxb8H {660}
11489 0.129 9.31 5t+ 1...Rhb3 2.Rc1 Rxb7 3.Rg1
12349 0.133 9.32 5t 1...Rhb3 2.b8=Q Rxb8 3.Kd5 Rd2+ 4.Kc5H {660}
13889 0.141 9.32 5. 1...Rhb3 2.b8=Q Rxb8 3.Kd5 Rd2+ 4.Kc5 {660}
15950 0.156 9.34 6t 1...Rhb3 2.b8=Q Rxb8 3.Kd4 h3 4.Ke3 {660}
27482 0.189 9.34 6. 1...Rhb3 2.b8=Q Rxb8 3.Kd4 h3 4.Ke3 {660}
31961 0.202 9.74 7++ 1...Rhb3 2.Kc5 h3 3.Rb1
34008 0.208 10.74 7++ 1...Rhb3 2.Ra1 h3 3.Ra2 g1=Q 4.b8=B {1231}
74580 0.310 11.47 7t 1...Rhb3 2.Kd5 Rc2 3.Kd6 h3 4.Re1 Rd2+ 5.Kc6
{580}
84979 0.387 11.47 7. 1...Rhb3 2.Kd5 Rc2 3.Kd6 h3 4.Re1 Rd2+ 5.Kc6
{580}
103979 0.568 11.87 8++ 1...Rhb3 2.Kd5 Rc2 3.Kd6 h3 4.Rf1+ gxf1=Q 5.Ke7
129506 0.642 12.86 8t 1...Rhb3 2.b8=Q Rxb8 3.Kd4 h3H 4.Kc5H {HT}
155819 0.899 12.86 8. 1...Rhb3 2.b8=Q Rxb8 3.Kd4 h3 4.Kc5
202159 1.096 13.26 9++ 1...Rhb3 2.b8=Q Rxb8 3.Ra1 h3 4.Ra6 g1=Q 5.Kd5
{1581}
220634 1.251 13.26 9t 1...Rhb3 2.b8=Q Rxb8 3.Kd5H Rc2H 4.Kd6H Rb1H
5.Rxb1H g1=QH 6.Rxg1H {80}
340246 2.298 13.26 9. 1...Rhb3 2.b8=Q Rxb8 3.Kd5 Rc2 4.Kd6 Rb1 5.Rxb1
g1=Q 6.Rxg1 {80}
510800 2.960 13.66 10++ 1...Rhb3 2.b8=Q Rxb8 3.Kd5 Rc2 4.Kd6 h3 5.Kd5
h2 6.Kd4
778614 3.796 14.66 10++ 1...Rhb3 2.b8=Q Rxb8 3.Kc3 h3 4.Rd1 h2 5.Rd5+
Kg4 6.Rd4+ Kf3 7.Rd3+ Kf2 8.Rd1 {660}
866853 4.524 14.66 10t 1...Rhb3 2.b8=Q Rxb8 {HT}
984439 5.029 14.67 10t+ 1...Rc3+ 2.Kd4 Rxb7 3.Ra1 g1=Q+ 4.Kd5
1045305 5.219 22.09 10++ 1...Rc3+ 2.Kd4 Rxb7 3.Rb1 Rxb1 4.Kd5
1878031 8.048 Mat37 10t 1...Rc3+ 2.Kxc3 Rxb7 3.Rd1 g1=Q 4.Rd8 Qd4+
5.Kxd4 {EGTB} {80}
1942210 8.175 Mat37 10. 1...Rc3+ 2.Kxc3 Rxb7 3.Rd1 g1=Q 4.Rd8 Qd4+
5.Kxd4 {EGTB} {80}
4590685 14.204 Mat29 11t 1...Rc3+ 2.Kxc3 Rxb7 3.Re1 g1=Q 4.Re8 Qe1+
5.Rxe1 {EGTB} {80}
5469364 17.411 Mat29 11. 1...Rc3+ 2.Kxc3 Rxb7 3.Re1 g1=Q 4.Re8 Qe1+
5.Rxe1 {EGTB} {80}
5469364 17.420 Mat29 11f. 1...Rc3+ 2.Kxc3 Rxb7 3.Re1 g1=Q 4.Re8 Qe1+
5.Rxe1 {EGTB} 5...h3! 6.Rf1+ Kg4! 7.Rg1+! Kh4!
8.Rd1! Rf7! 9.Rh1 Rh7! 10.Kd3 Kg3! 11.Rg1+!
Kf2! 12.Rh1! h2! 13.Kd4 Kg2! 14.Re1 h1=Q!
15.Rxh1! Rxh1! 16.Ke4 Rh5 17.Kf4! Kf2! 18.Kg4
Re5! 19.Kf4! Re8 20.Kg4 Rf8! 21.Kg5! Kf3
22.Kg6! Rf4 23.Kg7 Kg3 24.Kh7 Rg4! 25.Kh8 Kh4!
26.Kh7 Kh5! 27.Kh8 Kg6! 28.Kg8 Rf4! 29.Kh8
Rf8#! {500}
5469364 Nodes, 7.23% Leavenodes, 313970 Nodes/sec
2232025 eval, 96.19% score, 18168369 genmoves, 1.89% captures le 210/818
ext: pawn 7862, rcp 3066, chk 177837, repchk 45506, null 3523, prune 57321
htable: 3384264 store, 0 rejected, 5400196 probe, 52.9% f/p, 84.3% f/s
entries 7999998 age 1 renew 0
egtb probes 2892, found 2892 max_depth 31
black ( 1): Rc3+
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