Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 21:47:04 05/23/02
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On May 23, 2002 at 21:12:41, Keith Evans wrote: >On May 23, 2002 at 17:14:07, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On May 23, 2002 at 16:03:11, Christophe Theron wrote: >> >>>On May 23, 2002 at 11:15:14, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>> >>>>On May 23, 2002 at 01:31:56, Jeremiah Penery wrote: >>>> >>>>>On May 23, 2002 at 01:16:44, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On May 22, 2002 at 22:08:45, Christophe Theron wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>Filenames are case sensitive in Windows only for storing. When searching for >>>>>>>filenames, the search is case insensitive. That's the best way to do it in my >>>>>>>opinion. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Not in mine. I want WCCCxxxx to mean something significant, since WCCC is >>>>>>obviously an abbreviation for something. wcccxxxx should (to me) be a >>>>>>different file. Otherwise, _why_ would I name one WCCCxxxx and the other >>>>>>wcccxxxx and expect them to be the same? Why not just type them the same >>>>>>and it works. IE if you don't like case-sensitive filenames, simply make >>>>>>all your filenames lowercase and the problem is instantly solved, but >>>>>>leaving the rest of us the option of using case sensitivity to do whatever >>>>>>we want... >>>>> >>>>>He's not talking about saving a file with different case. If a filesystem can >>>>>do that, great. But when you're _searching_ for a file, you should be able to >>>>>search for "wccc..." and see a list with _both_ sets of files. That is what >>>>>Christophe is saying, and it makes way more sense to do it this way. >>>> >>>> >>>>This is already trivial to do using regular expressions. Or anybody could >>>>write their own "find" command that is case insensitive. I did this inside >>>>Crafty to match GM/IM names to adjust how crafty behaves. And I found it >>>>tedious to try to match strange combinations of upper and lower case letters, >>>>so I simply mapped them all to lowercase _first_... >>>> >>>>But in Unix, if you are looking for files or strings in files, it is trivial >>>>to make it case insensitive already. Just study "regular expressions"... >>> >>> >>> >>>And here we get a good understanding of one of the problems that will keep Linux >>>away from mainstream (and that's a pity). >>> >>>The file matching convention is user unfriendly (convince yourself by making a >>>poll here for example), and the proposed solution for this problem is even more >>>unfriendly (regular expressions, how am I going to explain that to my mother - >>>she just wants to do word processing and email). >>> >>>That's all the Linux philosophy in a snapshot. It's just an example, but you can >>>repeat the same pattern for many features of the OS. >> >> >>That is not a "problem". The problem is with the human. Do you have control >>over your fingers or not? IE when you create filenames, do you have problems >>with your little finger randomly tapping the <shift> key so that your filenames >>have a mixture of upper and lower case letters? If you do have such a problem, >>why don't you get it fixed rather than demand that the computer ignore case >>totally? If you don't have such a problem, then why in the world would you >>use uppercase letters in a filename when it requires extra keystrokes and slows >>down typing speed? >> >>It's _gotta_ be that your little finger is out of control, as I can't see any >>reason to create a filename by tapping the <shift> key and then when you go to >>access the file, tapping the <shift> key again is a monumental imposition on >>you this time around when it wasn't when you created the filename... > >You've just made Christophe's case. Christophe should print this out and tape it >onto the wall in his computer room. Amazing... The logical next step is to get >rid of computer monitors, keyboards,... since those are only there to get around >the human problem - humans really should come with a ethernet jack built into >their belly buttons ;-) > >P.S. I use Linux boxes at least 8 hours every working day, but keep them safely >locked up in a computer room some distance from my desk. If we go the windows way, we will only have one-way roads. You aren't going _that_ way? just go the other way until you go all the way around the world and get back to where you would prefer to go covering a much shorter difference. But one-way fits all, right? thankfully, not in unix. You can have it _either_ way...
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