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Subject: Re: here is the game of gandalf with that 2100 guy over internet.........

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 04:08:34 05/24/02

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On May 24, 2002 at 06:24:22, Mustafa wrote:

>[Event "Computer chess game"]
>[Site "ABU"]
>[Date "2002.01.31"]
>[Round "-"]
>[White "Gandalf_432h"]
>[Black "tamim,mustafa"]
>[Result "0-1"]
>[TimeControl "240"]
>
>1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 e6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 a6 5. Bd3 Nc6 6. Be3 Qc7 7. Nc3 Nf6
>8. O-O Bd6 9. h3 h5 10. Qd2 Ng4 11. Nxc6 dxc6 12. hxg4?? why gandalf played this
>move even this move threats to mate.... Bh2+ 13. Kh1 hxg4
>14. Rfc1

I think that this move is a mistake.
Rfd1 with the idea of Qd8+ is more logical.
I do not know if Rfd1 saves white but it is clearly better than Rfc1.

The rook has nothing to do in the c file and I believe that no top program is
going to play Rfc1 if you give it enough time.

They may play Rfd1 or g3.


 Qe5!! i analysed this position but every program says Qe7?? but Qe7 is
>wrong move where black can mate white by moving Qe5 which garry did why should
>he play Qe7?? but fritz 7 says Qe7 after lots of talking to that guy he said me
>that this was the same game played between Kasparov and another guy and Kasparov
>maded Qe5!! which is the best move here not Qe7 all i want to say is that
>computers cannot think likes humans

Many programs do not find Qe7 but play Qe5
What is wrong with them?

What is the reason that they find the right move when they are not supposed to
find it based on your post?


Here is the analysis

Gandalf_432h - tamim,m
r1b1k2r/1pq2pp1/p1p1p3/8/4P1p1/2NBB3/PPPQ1PPb/R1R4K b kq - 0 1

Analysis by Deep Fritz:

14...g3!
  +-  (1.72)   Depth: 1/5   00:00:00
14...g3 15.f4
  +-  (1.97)   Depth: 2/7   00:00:00
14...Be5+!
  +-  (1.84)   Depth: 2/8   00:00:00
14...Bf4+!
  +-  (1.72)   Depth: 2/8   00:00:00
14...Bf4+!
  ±  (1.06)   Depth: 3/10   00:00:00
14...Bf4+ 15.Kg1 Bxe3 16.Qxe3 Qh2+ 17.Kf1 Qh1+ 18.Ke2 Qxg2
  ±  (1.06)   Depth: 4/13   00:00:00  1kN
14...Bf4+ 15.Kg1 Bxe3 16.Qxe3 Qh2+ 17.Kf1 Qh1+ 18.Ke2 Qxg2
  ±  (1.06)   Depth: 5/15   00:00:00  2kN
14...Bf4+ 15.Kg1 Bxe3 16.Qxe3 Qh2+ 17.Kf1 Qh1+ 18.Ke2 Qxg2 19.e5
  ±  (1.28)   Depth: 6/16   00:00:00  7kN
14...Bf4+ 15.Kg1 Bxe3 16.Qxe3 Qh2+ 17.Kf1 e5 18.Qg5 Rh5 19.Qxg7 Qh1+ 20.Ke2
  +-  (1.44)   Depth: 7/19   00:00:00  45kN
14...Qe7!
  +-  (1.41)   Depth: 7/19   00:00:00  97kN
14...Qe7! 15.g3 Bxg3+ 16.Kg1 Bh2+ 17.Kf1 Qb4 18.Nd1 Qd6
  ²  (0.62)   Depth: 7/21   00:00:00  189kN
14...Qe7 15.g3 Bxg3+ 16.Kg1 Be5 17.Bg5 Qb4 18.Be2 Bd7
  ²  (0.47)   Depth: 8/21   00:00:00  303kN
14...Qe7 15.g3 Bxg3+ 16.Kg1 Be5 17.Rd1 Qh4 18.Kf1 Qh1+ 19.Ke2 Qf3+ 20.Ke1
  ²  (0.47)   Depth: 9/23   00:00:01  540kN
14...Qa5!
  ²  (0.44)   Depth: 9/23   00:00:01  859kN
14...Qa5! 15.e5 Qxe5 16.Rd1 Qh5 17.Bg6 fxg6 18.Qd8+ Kf7 19.Qd3
  ³  (-0.59)   Depth: 9/30   00:00:04  2493kN
14...Qe5!
  ³  (-0.63)   Depth: 9/30   00:00:04  2691kN
14...Qe5! 15.f3 Qf6 16.Re1 Qh4 17.Bg5 Bf4+ 18.Bxh4 Rxh4+ 19.Kg1 Bxd2
  -+  (-1.50)   Depth: 9/32   00:00:07  4023kN
14...Qe5!
  -+  (-1.81)   Depth: 10/26   00:00:08  4921kN
14...Qe5! 15.f3 gxf3 16.Nd1 Qh5 17.Nf2 Be5+ 18.Nh3 fxg2+ 19.Kxg2 Qxh3+ 20.Kf2
  -+  (-4.06)   Depth: 10/35   00:00:12  7027kN
14...Qe5 15.f3 gxf3 16.Nd1 Qh5 17.Nf2 Be5+ 18.Nh3 fxg2+ 19.Kg1 Qxh3 20.c3
  -+  (-4.28)   Depth: 11/28   00:00:14  8621kN
14...Qe5!
  -+  (-4.59)   Depth: 12/31   00:00:19  11594kN
14...Qe5! 15.f3 gxf3 16.Nd1 Qh5 17.Nf2 Be5+ 18.Kg1 Qh2+ 19.Kf1 fxg2+ 20.Ke2
  -+  (-5.09)   Depth: 12/36   00:00:24  14417kN
14...Qe5!
  -+  (-5.41)   Depth: 13/31   00:00:36  21588kN
14...Qe5! 15.f3 gxf3 16.Nd1 Qh5 17.Nf2 Be5+ 18.Nh3 fxg2+ 19.Qxg2 Qxh3+ 20.Qxh3
  -+  (-5.75)   Depth: 13/38   00:00:43  27217kN

(Blass, Tel-aviv 24.05.2002)


Gandalf_432h - tamim,m
r1b1k2r/1pq2pp1/p1p1p3/8/4P1p1/2NBB3/PPPQ1PPb/R1R4K b kq - 0 1

Analysis by Junior 7:

14...g3 15.Bc5 gxf2
  ±  (0.74)   Depth: 3   00:00:00
14...Bf4+ 15.Kg1 Bxe3 16.Qxe3 Qh2+ 17.Kf1 Qh1+ 18.Ke2 Qxg2
  ³  (-0.52)   Depth: 6   00:00:00  3kN
14...Bf4+ 15.Kg1 Bxe3 16.Qxe3 Qh2+ 17.Kf1 Qh1+ 18.Ke2 Qxg2
  ³  (-0.52)   Depth: 6   00:00:00  3kN
14...Bf4+ 15.Kg1 Bxe3 16.Qxe3 Qh2+ 17.Kf1 Qh1+ 18.Ke2 Qxg2
  ³  (-0.52)   Depth: 6   00:00:00  3kN
14...Bf4+ 15.Kg1 Bxe3 16.Qxe3 Qh2+ 17.Kf1 Qh1+ 18.Ke2 Qxg2
  ³  (-0.52)   Depth: 6   00:00:00  3kN
14...Bf4+ 15.Kg1 Bxe3 16.Qxe3 Qh2+ 17.Kf1 Qh1+ 18.Ke2 Qxg2
  ³  (-0.52)   Depth: 6   00:00:00  3kN
14...Bf4+ 15.Kg1 Bh2+ 16.Kf1 Qe5 17.Rd1 Qh5 18.Bd4
  ²  (0.29)   Depth: 9   00:00:00  45kN
14...Qe5 15.Ne2 Bf4+ 16.Kg1 Qh5 17.Kf1 Qh1+ 18.Ng1
  =  (-0.11)   Depth: 9   00:00:00  78kN
14...Qe5!
  ³  (-0.41)   Depth: 12   00:00:01  532kN
14...Qe5! 15.g3 Bxg3+ 16.Kg2 Rh2+ 17.Kf1 Qh5 18.Ke1 Be5
  µ  (-1.38)   Depth: 12   00:00:02  1566kN
14...Qe5!
  -+  (-1.68)   Depth: 14   00:00:10  6331kN
14...Qe5! 15.f3 gxf3 16.Nd1 Bg3+ 17.Kg1 Rh2 18.Nf2 Rxg2+ 19.Kf1 Qh5 20.Qb4
  -+  (-2.35)   Depth: 14   00:00:19  12254kN

(Blass, Tel-aviv 24.05.2002)

Gandalf_432h - tamim,m
r1b1k2r/1pq2pp1/p1p1p3/8/4P1p1/2NBB3/PPPQ1PPb/R1R4K b kq - 0 1

Analysis by Crafty 18.12:

14...Qe5
  +-  (3.73)   Depth: 1/5   00:00:00
14...Qe5 15.g3
  +-  (5.08)   Depth: 2/5   00:00:00
14...Bf4+
  +-  (3.33)   Depth: 2/5   00:00:00
14...Bf4+ 15.Kg1 Bh2+ 16.Kf1 Qe5
  +-  (3.33)   Depth: 2/5   00:00:00
14...Bf4+ 15.Kg1 Bh2+ 16.Kf1 Qe5
  +-  (2.93)   Depth: 3/8   00:00:00
14...Bf4+ 15.Kg1 Bxe3 16.fxe3 Qh2+ 17.Kf2 Qe5
  +-  (2.69)   Depth: 3/8   00:00:00
14...Bf4+ 15.Kg1 Bxe3 16.Qxe3 Qh2+ 17.Kf1 Qh1+ 18.Ke2 Qxg2 19.Kd2
  +-  (3.11)   Depth: 4/10   00:00:00
14...Bf4+ 15.Kg1 Bxe3 16.Qxe3 Qh2+ 17.Kf1 Qh1+ 18.Ke2 Qxg2 19.Rg1 Qh3 20.Qxh3
gxh3 21.Rxg7
  +-  (3.33)   Depth: 5/15   00:00:00
14...Bf4+ 15.Kg1 Bxe3 16.Qxe3 Qh2+ 17.Kf1 Qh1+ 18.Ke2 Qxg2 19.Rg1 Qh3 20.Qxh3
gxh3 21.Rxg7
  +-  (3.33)   Depth: 6/16   00:00:00  56kN
14...Bf4+ 15.Kg1 Bxe3 16.Qxe3 Qh2+ 17.Kf1 Qh1+ 18.Ke2 Qxg2 19.Rg1 Qh2 20.Kd2 Qh4
  +-  (3.17)   Depth: 7/17   00:00:00  178kN
14...Bf4+ 15.Kg1 Bxe3 16.Qxe3 Qh2+ 17.Kf1 Qh1+ 18.Ke2 Qxg2 19.Rg1 Qh3 20.Qf4 b6
21.Rxg4
  +-  (3.33)   Depth: 8/21   00:00:01  478kN
14...b5 15.Nd1 Qe5 16.c4 g3 17.f4 Qf6 18.Bc5
  +-  (3.23)   Depth: 8/21   00:00:05  2294kN
14...b5 15.Re1 Bf4+ 16.Kg1 Bxe3 17.Qxe3 Qh2+ 18.Kf1 Qh1+ 19.Ke2 Qxg2 20.Rg1
  +-  (3.09)   Depth: 9/23   00:00:11  4927kN
14...c5
  +-  (2.83)   Depth: 9/23   00:00:17  7650kN
14...c5 15.Bc4 b5 16.Nxb5 axb5 17.Bxb5+ Bd7 18.c4 Bf4+ 19.Kg1 Bxe3 20.Bxd7+ Qxd7
21.Qxe3
  +-  (2.08)   Depth: 9/23   00:00:30  13368kN
14...c5 15.g3 Bxg3+ 16.Kg1 Be5 17.Rd1 g3 18.Be2 Rh2 19.Bc4 gxf2+ 20.Bxf2 Bd7
  +-  (2.16)   Depth: 10/26   00:00:39  17144kN
14...Qa5
  +-  (1.68)   Depth: 10/26   00:00:53  23479kN
14...Qe5 15.f3 gxf3 16.Nd1 Bg3+ 17.Kg1 Qh5 18.Kf1 Qh1+ 19.Bg1 Rh2 20.Ne3 f2
21.Ke2 fxg1Q 22.Rxg1
  -+  (-2.85)   Depth: 10/26   00:01:50  51050kN

(Blass, Tel-aviv 24.05.2002)


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