Author: Vincent Diepeveen
Date: 06:27:55 05/24/02
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On May 24, 2002 at 03:46:04, Uri Blass wrote: I'm not so sure i would need 24 hours a move computing time, without book even at move 8 my score is only getting up for white. Out of desperation it already plays Ne8 for black in mainline. Proces 1 starting initialisation! Proces 1 starting SearchSMP! Took 0.00 seconds to start all 1 other processes Process 1: engineflags=0 msk=1 process 0: engineflags = 0 denktime=10000000 maxtime=10000000 00:00 0 0 9 (0) 1 -1.294 Ng5xe6 f7xe6 00:00 0 0 14 (0) 1 0.355 Ng5-e4 Nf6xe4 Bd3xe4 00:00 0 0 121 (0) 2 0.210 Ng5-e4 Bf8-e7 00:00 0 0 515 (0) 3 0.355 Ng5-e4 Nf6xe4 Bd3xe4 00:00 0 0 1747 (0) 4 0.056 Ng5-e4 Nf6xe4 Bd3xe4 Bf8-d6 00:00 0 0 6785 (14) 5 0.059 Ng5-e4 Nf6xe4 Bd3xe4 Nd7-f6 Be4-d3 00:00 0 0 19493 (242) 6 0.198 Ng5-e4 Nf6xe4 Bd3xe4 Nd7-f6 Be4-d3 c6-c5 Bc1-e3 c5 xd4 Be3xd4 00:00 0 0 42225 (2565) 7 0.198 Ng5-e4 Nf6xe4 Bd3xe4 Nd7-f6 Be4-d3 c6-c5 O-O c5xd 4 Bd3-b5 Nf6-d7 00:01 0 0 109358 (11075) 8 -0.067 Ng5-e4 Nf6xe4 Bd3xe4 Nd7-f6 Be4-d3 Bf8-d6 O-O O-O ++ g5-e6 00:02 0 0 231947 (19455) 8 -0.001 Ng5xe6 f7xe6 Bd3-g6 Ke8-e7 O-O Nd7-b6 Bc1-d2 N b6-a4 b2-b3 00:04 0 0 458522 (25593) 9 0.001 Ng5xe6 f7xe6 Bd3-g6 Ke8-e7 O-O Nd7-b6 Nf3-e5 Qd 8-d5 Bc1-e3 Nf6-e4 00:18 0 0 2266364 (516072) 10 0.139 Ng5xe6 Qd8-e7 O-O f7xe6 Bd3-g6 Ke8-d8 Bc1-f4 Qe7-b4 Rf1-e1 Bf8-e7 Bf4-d2 Qb4xb2 Re1xe6 00:28 0 0 3647503 (537038) 11 0.139 Ng5xe6 Qd8-e7 O-O f7xe6 Bd3-g6 Ke8-d8 Bc1-f4 Qe7-b4 Rf1-e1 Bf8-e7 Bf4-d2 Qb4xb2 Re1xe6 00:44 0 0 5993056 (637466) 12 0.139 Ng5xe6 Qd8-e7 O-O f7xe6 Bd3-g6 Ke8-d8 Bc1-f4 Qe7-b4 Rf1-e1 Bf8-e7 Bf4-d2 Qb4xb2 Re1xe6 01:53 0 0 15582825 (1253955) 13 0.057 Ng5xe6 Qd8-e7 O-O f7xe6 Bd3-g6 Ke8-d8 Bc1- f4 Qe7-b4 Qd1-e2 Bf8-e7 Qe2xe6 Nd7-f8 Qe6-f7 Nf8xg6 Qf7xg6 14:39 0 0 114729414 (22501036) 14 0.343 Ng5xe6 f7xe6 Bd3-g6 Ke8-e7 O-O Nf6-e8 c2 -c4 Ne8-d6 Qd1-c2 Nd6-f7 Rf1-d1 Qd8-c7 g2-g3 Nd7-f6 Bc1-f4 Qc7-d8 >On May 24, 2002 at 01:21:55, Terry McCracken wrote: > >>On May 24, 2002 at 01:09:32, Jouni Uski wrote: >> >>>On May 24, 2002 at 00:01:02, Uri Blass wrote: >>> >>>>On May 23, 2002 at 20:43:18, martin fierz wrote: >>>> >>>>>On May 23, 2002 at 19:37:34, Joshua Lee wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>I Thought some of you might be interested that if you play through this movie >>>>>>slowly you can clearly see Deep Blue's PV and other stuff. It looks like in one >>>>>>scene that Deep Blue was using Xboard. I don't know what else you can decipher >>>>>>from any of this but it is the clearest thing i've seen. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>http://www.chessbase.de/vw_phaeton_kasparov.mov >>>>> >>>>>what i saw was that the footage of kasparov was probably from the infamous game >>>>>6 in the second match - you can see him go 5. ...Ng8-f6 - and two moves later he >>>>>will lose the match with ...h6?? ... >>>> >>>>Kasparov did not lose the 6th game by h6. >>>> >>>>Uri >>> >>>You are absolutely right Uri! I hate to read always, that h6 was losing move, it >>>wasn't. >>> >>>Jouni >> >>You always read it as it's basically true. No sane person would try 7...h6 >>intentually! >> >>Ask Kasparov! Or any top GM, it's not a good move and 8.Nxe6!!? is almost >>certainly winning, at least against a tactician like DB 2! >> >>Terry > >Can you prove it in a comp-comp games. > >I am curious to know if deeper blue could beat the commercial programs or itself >with Nxe6 fxe6. >We will never know the answer because deeper blue is dead but we can get an >estimate by seeing results of comp-comp games. > >I believe that deeper blue is weaker than the commercial progams but even if we >assume that it does not I think that almost everybody agree that computers today >at 24 hours per move are not worse than deeper blue at 3 minutes per move. > >If I see one correspondence game between top programs at 24 hours per move when >white wins then I may change my mind about the value of Nxe6. > >If there are people with fast hardware who want to play coprrespondence >comp-comp game from the relevant position then it will be interesting to see >because I am not going to waste computer time about it. > >Uri
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