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Subject: Re: Video of Deep Blue at Chessbase

Author: Vincent Diepeveen

Date: 06:27:55 05/24/02

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On May 24, 2002 at 03:46:04, Uri Blass wrote:

I'm not so sure i would need 24 hours a move computing time,
without book even at move 8 my score is only getting up for white.

Out of desperation it already plays Ne8 for black in mainline.


  Proces 1 starting initialisation!
  Proces 1 starting SearchSMP!
Took 0.00 seconds to start all 1 other processes
Process 1: engineflags=0 msk=1
process 0: engineflags = 0 denktime=10000000 maxtime=10000000
00:00 0 0 9 (0) 1 -1.294 Ng5xe6 f7xe6
00:00 0 0 14 (0) 1 0.355 Ng5-e4 Nf6xe4 Bd3xe4
00:00 0 0 121 (0) 2 0.210 Ng5-e4 Bf8-e7
00:00 0 0 515 (0) 3 0.355 Ng5-e4 Nf6xe4 Bd3xe4
00:00 0 0 1747 (0) 4 0.056 Ng5-e4 Nf6xe4 Bd3xe4 Bf8-d6
00:00 0 0 6785 (14) 5 0.059 Ng5-e4 Nf6xe4 Bd3xe4 Nd7-f6 Be4-d3
00:00 0 0 19493 (242) 6 0.198 Ng5-e4 Nf6xe4 Bd3xe4 Nd7-f6 Be4-d3 c6-c5 Bc1-e3 c5
xd4 Be3xd4
00:00 0 0 42225 (2565) 7 0.198 Ng5-e4 Nf6xe4 Bd3xe4 Nd7-f6 Be4-d3 c6-c5 O-O c5xd
4 Bd3-b5 Nf6-d7
00:01 0 0 109358 (11075) 8 -0.067 Ng5-e4 Nf6xe4 Bd3xe4 Nd7-f6 Be4-d3 Bf8-d6 O-O
O-O
++ g5-e6
00:02 0 0 231947 (19455) 8 -0.001 Ng5xe6 f7xe6 Bd3-g6 Ke8-e7 O-O Nd7-b6 Bc1-d2 N
b6-a4 b2-b3
00:04 0 0 458522 (25593) 9 0.001 Ng5xe6 f7xe6 Bd3-g6 Ke8-e7 O-O Nd7-b6 Nf3-e5 Qd
8-d5 Bc1-e3 Nf6-e4
00:18 0 0 2266364 (516072) 10 0.139 Ng5xe6 Qd8-e7 O-O f7xe6 Bd3-g6 Ke8-d8 Bc1-f4
 Qe7-b4 Rf1-e1 Bf8-e7 Bf4-d2 Qb4xb2 Re1xe6
00:28 0 0 3647503 (537038) 11 0.139 Ng5xe6 Qd8-e7 O-O f7xe6 Bd3-g6 Ke8-d8 Bc1-f4
 Qe7-b4 Rf1-e1 Bf8-e7 Bf4-d2 Qb4xb2 Re1xe6
00:44 0 0 5993056 (637466) 12 0.139 Ng5xe6 Qd8-e7 O-O f7xe6 Bd3-g6 Ke8-d8 Bc1-f4
 Qe7-b4 Rf1-e1 Bf8-e7 Bf4-d2 Qb4xb2 Re1xe6
01:53 0 0 15582825 (1253955) 13 0.057 Ng5xe6 Qd8-e7 O-O f7xe6 Bd3-g6 Ke8-d8 Bc1-
f4 Qe7-b4 Qd1-e2 Bf8-e7 Qe2xe6 Nd7-f8 Qe6-f7 Nf8xg6 Qf7xg6
14:39 0 0 114729414 (22501036) 14 0.343 Ng5xe6 f7xe6 Bd3-g6 Ke8-e7 O-O Nf6-e8 c2
-c4 Ne8-d6 Qd1-c2 Nd6-f7 Rf1-d1 Qd8-c7 g2-g3 Nd7-f6 Bc1-f4 Qc7-d8

>On May 24, 2002 at 01:21:55, Terry McCracken wrote:
>
>>On May 24, 2002 at 01:09:32, Jouni Uski wrote:
>>
>>>On May 24, 2002 at 00:01:02, Uri Blass wrote:
>>>
>>>>On May 23, 2002 at 20:43:18, martin fierz wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On May 23, 2002 at 19:37:34, Joshua Lee wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>I Thought some of you might be interested that if you play through this movie
>>>>>>slowly you can clearly see Deep Blue's PV and other stuff. It looks like in one
>>>>>>scene that Deep Blue was using Xboard. I don't know what else you can decipher
>>>>>>from any of this but it is the clearest thing i've seen.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>http://www.chessbase.de/vw_phaeton_kasparov.mov
>>>>>
>>>>>what i saw was that the footage of kasparov was probably from the infamous game
>>>>>6 in the second match - you can see him go 5. ...Ng8-f6 - and two moves later he
>>>>>will lose the match with ...h6?? ...
>>>>
>>>>Kasparov did not lose the 6th game by h6.
>>>>
>>>>Uri
>>>
>>>You are absolutely right Uri! I hate to read always, that h6 was losing move, it
>>>wasn't.
>>>
>>>Jouni
>>
>>You always read it as it's basically true. No sane person would try 7...h6
>>intentually!
>>
>>Ask Kasparov! Or any top GM, it's not a good move and 8.Nxe6!!? is almost
>>certainly winning, at least against a tactician like DB 2!
>>
>>Terry
>
>Can you prove it in a comp-comp games.
>
>I am curious to know if deeper blue could beat the commercial programs or itself
>with Nxe6 fxe6.
>We will never know the answer because deeper blue is dead but we can get an
>estimate by seeing results of comp-comp games.
>
>I believe that deeper blue is weaker than the commercial progams but even if we
>assume that it does not I think that almost everybody agree that computers today
>at 24 hours per move are not worse than deeper blue at 3 minutes per move.
>
>If I see one correspondence game between top programs at 24 hours per move when
>white wins then I may change my mind about the value of Nxe6.
>
>If there are people with fast hardware who want to play coprrespondence
>comp-comp game from the relevant position then it will be interesting to see
>because I am not going to waste computer time about it.
>
>Uri



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