Author: Vincent Diepeveen
Date: 08:03:16 05/24/02
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On May 24, 2002 at 10:04:25, Chris Carson wrote: an XP1900 from rebel could be faster than a slow quad where it's going to play on i guess. Perhaps it even goes play on a cheap dual K7 which is way faster than any of the mentionned machines. where do you get a $100k quad from? >On May 24, 2002 at 08:21:17, Jorge Pichard wrote: > >>Fritz performance was NOT greater than 2650 and I doubt that if they would >>paired it against GM Smirin it would have won at least one game. Deep fritz will >>be using an 8X system against GM Kramnik, that has a difference of more than 200 >>rating points over GM Gulko and is a better player than GM Smirin. >>I doubt if Deep Fritz will gain more than 150 raring points by using an 8x >>system at standard time control. Also those games that GM Gulko played were at >>G/60 plus 10 seconds per move. I just wonder why Chessbase is scare to match >>their best programs at standard time control, like Mr. Schoeder with Rebel. >>Chessbase doesn't even want to match their best programs at G/90 plus 5 seconds >>per move, which to my judgement GM Gulko , GM Seirawan, or GM Smirin would >>demonstrate that the programs are NOT yet over 2600 against them, even if they >>use the latest Intel Pentium IV 2.53 Ghz. >> >>Pichard. > >Ofcourse you can think what you like. > >I expect the 8x machine that D.Fritz plays on will give a 2650 performance. I >think DF or DJ is 2750 (tournament, not match) on the 8x box. This match will >be against a 2800 player that is well prepared. 100 points seems to be the loss >for a computer (on average) when paired against a well prepared GM in match >play. > >On single proc AMD or Intel boxes, Fritz, Junior, Tiger, Hiarcs and Rebel are >2650 (actually 2680 when results from 800Mhz and faster machine results are >calculated). Rebel had a 2700 performance against a well prepared (100 games of >preparation) 2700 GM using an AMD 1900+. These are Standard FIDE and 40/2 >results. > >Yes, you will see some performances above and below (200 - 400 points) the >average ELO for the programs, but the same is true for the GM's, check TWIC. > >GM's (strong GM's) have to play flawless chess with white pieces and use >anti-computer (closed positions) to defeat the computers. Typical or average >GM's get beat by the programs on a regular basis. > >Enjoy this time. Today, GM's below 2600 have a very hard time with the >computers, in 3 years it will be GM's below 2700 on single processor boxex. In >3 years on the 8x box, well, only the 2800 GM's will have a chance. Besides the >speed improvement, there is impressive sw improvement. In 5 years (+ or - 2 >years) the machines will rule this game. They will still lose every once in a >while, but it will be very rare.
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