Author: Vincent Diepeveen
Date: 08:42:47 05/24/02
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On May 23, 2002 at 17:47:18, Peter Berger wrote: 'find' is the built in command in windows, though grep usually works on windows too, as some programs install this util. fact you're using command prompt means you are already a computer expert, so belonging to the major minority group in this world who mastered how to use a computer. note that even well known linux experts are very dumb when installing diep in linux. Though the only thing they gotta do is echo 400000000 > /proc/sys/kernel/shmmax (as root, because the so much beloved linux kernel only allows 32MB of shared memory by default). So far only 1 person managed to get diep at once to work in linux. The above line they either always forgot or didn't manage to type in despite that i always email it. for linux users, linux is even too difficult for themselves. It sure is for me, though i keep using it! Best regards, Vincent >On May 23, 2002 at 16:03:11, Christophe Theron wrote: > >>On May 23, 2002 at 11:15:14, Robert Hyatt wrote: >> >>>On May 23, 2002 at 01:31:56, Jeremiah Penery wrote: >>> >>>>On May 23, 2002 at 01:16:44, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>> >>>>>On May 22, 2002 at 22:08:45, Christophe Theron wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>Filenames are case sensitive in Windows only for storing. When searching for >>>>>>filenames, the search is case insensitive. That's the best way to do it in my >>>>>>opinion. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Not in mine. I want WCCCxxxx to mean something significant, since WCCC is >>>>>obviously an abbreviation for something. wcccxxxx should (to me) be a >>>>>different file. Otherwise, _why_ would I name one WCCCxxxx and the other >>>>>wcccxxxx and expect them to be the same? Why not just type them the same >>>>>and it works. IE if you don't like case-sensitive filenames, simply make >>>>>all your filenames lowercase and the problem is instantly solved, but >>>>>leaving the rest of us the option of using case sensitivity to do whatever >>>>>we want... >>>> >>>>He's not talking about saving a file with different case. If a filesystem can >>>>do that, great. But when you're _searching_ for a file, you should be able to >>>>search for "wccc..." and see a list with _both_ sets of files. That is what >>>>Christophe is saying, and it makes way more sense to do it this way. >>> >>> >>>This is already trivial to do using regular expressions. Or anybody could >>>write their own "find" command that is case insensitive. I did this inside >>>Crafty to match GM/IM names to adjust how crafty behaves. And I found it >>>tedious to try to match strange combinations of upper and lower case letters, >>>so I simply mapped them all to lowercase _first_... >>> >>>But in Unix, if you are looking for files or strings in files, it is trivial >>>to make it case insensitive already. Just study "regular expressions"... >> >> >> >>And here we get a good understanding of one of the problems that will keep Linux >>away from mainstream (and that's a pity). >> >>The file matching convention is user unfriendly (convince yourself by making a >>poll here for example), and the proposed solution for this problem is even more >>unfriendly (regular expressions, how am I going to explain that to my mother - >>she just wants to do word processing and email). >> >>That's all the Linux philosophy in a snapshot. It's just an example, but you can >>repeat the same pattern for many features of the OS. >> >>Normal people care more about useability than about features. >> >>But not Linux users/developpers. Linux users/developpers care more about >>features than about useability. >> >>The result is a clear success: the stuff is unuseable for normal people. And >>Linuxers like it: normal people are a threat to the philosophy. They might >>demand stupid things, like being able to retrieve a file called "WCCCxxx" by >>just typing "wccc*". Geez! >> >>Time for new blood to kick in and reconsider some basic things... There is a >>huge potential in Linux. >> >> >> >> Christophe > >Hmm ;) - do you remember how I was completely at a loss when I tried to >deinstall and install your Chess Tiger program on my Palm ? I really tried to do >my best but it was too difficult for me. > >I agree it was really easy enough after you explained how to do it but my mother >definitely would have been of little help. > >When it is about the problems you posted I would have known most easy solutions >how to do this on Linux ( even way easier ones than posted) > >Another trivial example : You sit in a directory full of PGN-Files - you know >there were some interesting games by Weird-engine in one of them but you don't >remember in which file or any further details. > >Sitting at Linux prompt I would type > >$ grep -i weird-engine * > >I have yet to find out how to do this with Windows let alone on my Palm ;) .. > >Peter
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