Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 18:36:36 05/24/02
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On May 24, 2002 at 14:51:27, Christophe Theron wrote: >On May 24, 2002 at 12:31:10, Keith Evans wrote: > >>On May 24, 2002 at 00:47:04, Robert Hyatt wrote: >> >>>On May 23, 2002 at 21:12:41, Keith Evans wrote: >>> >>>>On May 23, 2002 at 17:14:07, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>> >>>>>On May 23, 2002 at 16:03:11, Christophe Theron wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On May 23, 2002 at 11:15:14, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On May 23, 2002 at 01:31:56, Jeremiah Penery wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On May 23, 2002 at 01:16:44, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>On May 22, 2002 at 22:08:45, Christophe Theron wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Filenames are case sensitive in Windows only for storing. When searching for >>>>>>>>>>filenames, the search is case insensitive. That's the best way to do it in my >>>>>>>>>>opinion. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Not in mine. I want WCCCxxxx to mean something significant, since WCCC is >>>>>>>>>obviously an abbreviation for something. wcccxxxx should (to me) be a >>>>>>>>>different file. Otherwise, _why_ would I name one WCCCxxxx and the other >>>>>>>>>wcccxxxx and expect them to be the same? Why not just type them the same >>>>>>>>>and it works. IE if you don't like case-sensitive filenames, simply make >>>>>>>>>all your filenames lowercase and the problem is instantly solved, but >>>>>>>>>leaving the rest of us the option of using case sensitivity to do whatever >>>>>>>>>we want... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>He's not talking about saving a file with different case. If a filesystem can >>>>>>>>do that, great. But when you're _searching_ for a file, you should be able to >>>>>>>>search for "wccc..." and see a list with _both_ sets of files. That is what >>>>>>>>Christophe is saying, and it makes way more sense to do it this way. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>This is already trivial to do using regular expressions. Or anybody could >>>>>>>write their own "find" command that is case insensitive. I did this inside >>>>>>>Crafty to match GM/IM names to adjust how crafty behaves. And I found it >>>>>>>tedious to try to match strange combinations of upper and lower case letters, >>>>>>>so I simply mapped them all to lowercase _first_... >>>>>>> >>>>>>>But in Unix, if you are looking for files or strings in files, it is trivial >>>>>>>to make it case insensitive already. Just study "regular expressions"... >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>And here we get a good understanding of one of the problems that will keep Linux >>>>>>away from mainstream (and that's a pity). >>>>>> >>>>>>The file matching convention is user unfriendly (convince yourself by making a >>>>>>poll here for example), and the proposed solution for this problem is even more >>>>>>unfriendly (regular expressions, how am I going to explain that to my mother - >>>>>>she just wants to do word processing and email). >>>>>> >>>>>>That's all the Linux philosophy in a snapshot. It's just an example, but you can >>>>>>repeat the same pattern for many features of the OS. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>That is not a "problem". The problem is with the human. Do you have control >>>>>over your fingers or not? IE when you create filenames, do you have problems >>>>>with your little finger randomly tapping the <shift> key so that your filenames >>>>>have a mixture of upper and lower case letters? If you do have such a problem, >>>>>why don't you get it fixed rather than demand that the computer ignore case >>>>>totally? If you don't have such a problem, then why in the world would you >>>>>use uppercase letters in a filename when it requires extra keystrokes and slows >>>>>down typing speed? >>>>> >>>>>It's _gotta_ be that your little finger is out of control, as I can't see any >>>>>reason to create a filename by tapping the <shift> key and then when you go to >>>>>access the file, tapping the <shift> key again is a monumental imposition on >>>>>you this time around when it wasn't when you created the filename... >>>> >>>>You've just made Christophe's case. Christophe should print this out and tape it >>>>onto the wall in his computer room. Amazing... The logical next step is to get >>>>rid of computer monitors, keyboards,... since those are only there to get around >>>>the human problem - humans really should come with a ethernet jack built into >>>>their belly buttons ;-) >>>> >>>>P.S. I use Linux boxes at least 8 hours every working day, but keep them safely >>>>locked up in a computer room some distance from my desk. >>> >>> >>>If we go the windows way, we will only have one-way roads. You aren't going >>>_that_ way? just go the other way until you go all the way around the world >>>and get back to where you would prefer to go covering a much shorter difference. >>>But one-way fits all, right? >>> >>>thankfully, not in unix. You can have it _either_ way... >> >>Well in the EDA world I think that Linux hurts Sun way more than it hurts >>Microsoft. >> >>My point wasn't to say that Microsoft is better, but that your attitude is not >>going to win over Christophe. Rather than accepting that he has a valid opinion, >>you say that his little finger is out of control. Ever heard of human factors? > > > >I don't take it personal, but that's typical of the people who are using Linux. > >That's what is going to take me out of Linux for a while. The attitude of the >people using/developping it. > >Just mention a problem and they are going to bury themselves even deeper. Or >offer inappropriate solutions (use regular expressions). > >You can do the same experience with the guys at Microsoft and see the >difference: they will reconsider if they realize many people agree that there is >a problem. > >They have done that many times and corrected mistake after mistake. The result >is that now they are controlling the world of information. > >Now my wish is that the Linux guys do exactly the same thing and kill the >Microsoft monopol. > >But if I was Microsoft I would not be as frightened by Linux as they are. When >they are going to understand what the attitude of the Linux guys is, they will >certainly laugh and relax. > > > > Christophe Sorry, but there _is_ no "problem" in linux, nor in the linux developer's actions. If you don't like case sensitivity, then turn it off and be done with it. But let those of us that are a bit more flexible keep the feature as it is very useful. You can have it either way you want in linux, by just checking a box in the GUI you choose to use...
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