Author: Terry McCracken
Date: 10:12:57 05/25/02
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On May 25, 2002 at 10:41:06, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >On May 24, 2002 at 23:14:50, Terry McCracken wrote: > >Comon act a bit normal. What? Make Sense! Nf3 looks way better initially >for the human player, as well as for the computers. > >you fiddle to h4 and g6 and then make life hell. Only >deep analysis proves e5 is better. Gibberish! > >Like 20+ ply lines. > >e5 is *not* obvious to mankind for sure. Wrong, it's easy when you "Understand"! > >Fact that after nf3 bc6 nh4 the move g5 is already forced >says already *something* about Nf3 being a good move. Nf3 is Weak! > >I'm pretty sure Nf3 wins. I'm pretty sure you're alot of "Hot Air"! > >Usually when a strong player sees a good move he goes for >it, missing the rest of the world (forward pruning it). People aren't "Computer Programmes"! > >e5 wins harder it appeared, but you need very deep lines >to proof that. The "Idea" behind e5 isn't hard to see. When you see the "Idea" then you work out the "Details"! It's all about patterns, I noticed e5 immeadiately as I "Recognize" the "Pattern" you don't. Nor do most programmes. > >>On May 24, 2002 at 21:25:37, Joshua Lee wrote: >> >>>On May 24, 2002 at 21:22:39, Joshua Lee wrote: >>> >>>>Pretty impressive seeing how it took fritz 6 nearly 19Hours >>>>I will check out #3 #6 and #9 but i won't hold my breath. >>>>1Ghz Athlon 200Mhz FSB 512MB PC133 CAS 2 256MB for Hash Tables. >>>>I wonder how long this will take on an MP 2000+ with 333Mhz FSB or a 2.53Ghz P4. >>>> >>>> >>>>Spassky,B - Petrosian,T >>>>[D] r2qrb1k/1p1b2p1/p2ppn1p/8/3NP3/1BN5/PPP3QP/1K3RR1 w - - 0 1 >>>> >>>>Analysis by Fritz 7: >>>> >>>>21.Nce2 e5 22.Nf5 Bxf5 23.Rxf5 Rc8 24.Rgf1 Qb6 >>>> ² (0.41) Depth: 7/25 00:00:00 103kN >>>>21.Nce2 e5 22.Nf5 Bxf5 23.Rxf5 Rc8 24.Bd5 Qb6 25.Qg6 Nxd5 >>>> ² (0.47) Depth: 8/23 00:00:00 157kN >>>>21.Nf3! >>>> ² (0.50) Depth: 8/25 00:00:00 319kN >>>>21.Nf3 Qa5 22.Nh4 Qg5 23.Ng6+ Kh7 24.Qh3 Qh5 >>>> ² (0.53) Depth: 8/25 00:00:01 504kN >>>>21.Nf3 Qa5 22.Nh4 Qg5 23.Ng6+ Kh7 24.Qh3 Qd2 25.Nxf8+ Rxf8 26.Bxe6 Bxe6 >>>> ² (0.66) Depth: 9/27 00:00:02 854kN >>>>21.Nf3 Qa5 22.Nh4 Qg5 23.Ng6+ Kg8 24.Qxg5 hxg5 25.Rd1 Bc6 26.Nxf8 Kxf8 27.Rxd6 >>>>Bxe4 >>>> ± (0.72) Depth: 10/27 00:00:04 1804kN >>>>21.Nce2! >>>> ± (0.75) Depth: 10/27 00:00:05 2369kN >>>>21.Nce2 e5 22.Nf5 Bxf5 23.Rxf5 Rc8 24.Nc3 Rxc3 25.bxc3 Qb6 >>>> ± (0.81) Depth: 10/27 00:00:06 2802kN >>>>21.Nce2! >>>> ± (1.09) Depth: 11/32 00:00:14 6582kN >>>>21.Nce2 g5 22.h4 g4 23.Nf4 e5 24.Nde6 Bxe6 25.Nxe6 Qe7 26.Rxf6 Qxf6 27.Qxg4 >>>> ± (1.06) Depth: 12/33 00:00:30 14818kN >>>>21.Nf3! >>>> ± (1.09) Depth: 12/33 00:00:41 20341kN >>>>21.Nf3! >>>> ± (1.25) Depth: 12/33 00:00:49 24271kN >>>>21.Nf3 Bc6 22.Nh4 g5 23.Ng6+ Kh7 24.Nxf8+ Rxf8 25.Bxe6 Qe7 26.Bf5+ Kh8 27.h4 g4 >>>>28.Qd2 >>>> ± (1.31) Depth: 13/34 00:01:39 50333kN >>>>21.Nf3 Ng8 22.Qg3 Rc8 23.Nh4 g5 24.Ng6+ Kg7 25.Nxf8 Rxf8 26.h4 Rxf1+ 27.Rxf1 Rc6 >>>>28.e5 >>>> ± (1.28) Depth: 14/35 00:04:03 124459kN >>>>21.Nf3 Bc6 22.Nh4 g5 23.Ng6+ Kh7 24.Nxf8+ Rxf8 25.Bxe6 Qe7 26.Bf5+ Kh8 27.h4 g4 >>>>28.Qd2 >>>> ± (1.34) Depth: 15/40 00:15:18 477330kN >>>>21.Nf3 Bc6 22.Nh4 g5 23.Ng6+ Kh7 24.Nxf8+ Rxf8 25.h4 g4 26.Bxe6 h5 27.Bf5+ Kg7 >>>>28.Qd2 >>>> ± (1.34) Depth: 16/41 00:31:20 984335kN >>>>21.Nf3 Bc6 22.Nh4 g5 23.Ng6+ Kh7 24.Nxf8+ Rxf8 25.Bxe6 Bd7 26.Bf5+ Bxf5 27.Rxf5 >>>>Qe7 >>>> ± (1.28) Depth: 17/42 00:59:23 1900289kN >>>>21.Nf3! >>>> +- (1.56) Depth: 18/44 02:30:01 4806584kN >>>>21.Nf3 Bc6 22.Nh4 g5 23.Ng6+ Kh7 24.h4 g4 25.Nf4 Bg7 26.Nxe6 Qe7 27.Qf2 >>>> +- (1.56) Depth: 19/47 06:13:53 12182535kN >>>>21.e5! >>>> +- (1.59) Depth: 19/47 07:40:31 15026884kN >>>>21.e5 dxe5 22.Ne4 Nh5 23.Qg4 Nf4 24.Nf3 Qc7 25.Nh4 Bc6 26.Rxf4 exf4 27.Ng6+ >>>> +- (1.72) Depth: 19/47 09:14:54 18109538kN >>>>21.e5! >>>> +- (2.00) Depth: 20/48 15:24:46 30334556kN >>>> >>>>(Lee, Pensacola,FL 24.05.2002) >>> >>> >>>When i was writing this Fritz went to the next iteration? >>>maybe someone can explain it for me >>>Spassky,B - Petrosian,T >>>r2qrb1k/1p1b2p1/p2ppn1p/8/3NP3/1BN5/PPP3QP/1K3RR1 w - - 0 1 >>> >>>Analysis by Fritz 7: >>> >>>21.Nce2 e5 22.Nf5 Bxf5 23.Rxf5 Rc8 24.Rgf1 Qb6 >>> ² (0.41) Depth: 7/25 00:00:00 103kN >>>21.Nce2 e5 22.Nf5 Bxf5 23.Rxf5 Rc8 24.Bd5 Qb6 25.Qg6 Nxd5 >>> ² (0.47) Depth: 8/23 00:00:00 157kN >>>21.Nf3! >>> ² (0.50) Depth: 8/25 00:00:00 319kN >>>21.Nf3 Qa5 22.Nh4 Qg5 23.Ng6+ Kh7 24.Qh3 Qh5 >>> ² (0.53) Depth: 8/25 00:00:01 504kN >>>21.Nf3 Qa5 22.Nh4 Qg5 23.Ng6+ Kh7 24.Qh3 Qd2 25.Nxf8+ Rxf8 26.Bxe6 Bxe6 >>> ² (0.66) Depth: 9/27 00:00:02 854kN >>>21.Nf3 Qa5 22.Nh4 Qg5 23.Ng6+ Kg8 24.Qxg5 hxg5 25.Rd1 Bc6 26.Nxf8 Kxf8 27.Rxd6 >>>Bxe4 >>> ± (0.72) Depth: 10/27 00:00:04 1804kN >>>21.Nce2! >>> ± (0.75) Depth: 10/27 00:00:05 2369kN >>>21.Nce2 e5 22.Nf5 Bxf5 23.Rxf5 Rc8 24.Nc3 Rxc3 25.bxc3 Qb6 >>> ± (0.81) Depth: 10/27 00:00:06 2802kN >>>21.Nce2! >>> ± (1.09) Depth: 11/32 00:00:14 6582kN >>>21.Nce2 g5 22.h4 g4 23.Nf4 e5 24.Nde6 Bxe6 25.Nxe6 Qe7 26.Rxf6 Qxf6 27.Qxg4 >>> ± (1.06) Depth: 12/33 00:00:30 14818kN >>>21.Nf3! >>> ± (1.09) Depth: 12/33 00:00:41 20341kN >>>21.Nf3! >>> ± (1.25) Depth: 12/33 00:00:49 24271kN >>>21.Nf3 Bc6 22.Nh4 g5 23.Ng6+ Kh7 24.Nxf8+ Rxf8 25.Bxe6 Qe7 26.Bf5+ Kh8 27.h4 g4 >>>28.Qd2 >>> ± (1.31) Depth: 13/34 00:01:39 50333kN >>>21.Nf3 Ng8 22.Qg3 Rc8 23.Nh4 g5 24.Ng6+ Kg7 25.Nxf8 Rxf8 26.h4 Rxf1+ 27.Rxf1 Rc6 >>>28.e5 >>> ± (1.28) Depth: 14/35 00:04:03 124459kN >>>21.Nf3 Bc6 22.Nh4 g5 23.Ng6+ Kh7 24.Nxf8+ Rxf8 25.Bxe6 Qe7 26.Bf5+ Kh8 27.h4 g4 >>>28.Qd2 >>> ± (1.34) Depth: 15/40 00:15:18 477330kN >>>21.Nf3 Bc6 22.Nh4 g5 23.Ng6+ Kh7 24.Nxf8+ Rxf8 25.h4 g4 26.Bxe6 h5 27.Bf5+ Kg7 >>>28.Qd2 >>> ± (1.34) Depth: 16/41 00:31:20 984335kN >>>21.Nf3 Bc6 22.Nh4 g5 23.Ng6+ Kh7 24.Nxf8+ Rxf8 25.Bxe6 Bd7 26.Bf5+ Bxf5 27.Rxf5 >>>Qe7 >>> ± (1.28) Depth: 17/42 00:59:23 1900289kN >>>21.Nf3! >>> +- (1.56) Depth: 18/44 02:30:01 4806584kN >>>21.Nf3 Bc6 22.Nh4 g5 23.Ng6+ Kh7 24.h4 g4 25.Nf4 Bg7 26.Nxe6 Qe7 27.Qf2 >>> +- (1.56) Depth: 19/47 06:13:53 12182535kN >>>21.e5! >>> +- (1.59) Depth: 19/47 07:40:31 15026884kN >>>21.e5 dxe5 22.Ne4 Nh5 23.Qg4 Nf4 24.Nf3 Qc7 25.Nh4 Bc6 26.Rxf4 exf4 27.Ng6+ >>> +- (1.72) Depth: 19/47 09:14:54 18109538kN >>>21.e5! >>> +- (2.00) Depth: 20/48 15:24:46 30334556kN >>>21.e5! >>> +- (2.28) Depth: 20/48 18:05:58 35621176kN >>> >>>(Lee, Pensacola,FL 24.05.2002) >> >>I'm disappointed actually, as an experienced player, familiar with such setups >>sees 21.e5! almost instantly! >> >> >>An area where the "Chess Mind" remains superior to the machine. >> >>Terry
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