Author: Jeroen Noomen
Date: 13:02:54 05/25/02
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On May 25, 2002 at 15:50:30, Harald Faber wrote: Hi Harald, I think we can agree that Fritz is very strong in playing 40 games matches. But I do agree partly with your statement below. You can just count how many important tournaments Fritz has won in the last 5 till 10 years. In that respect Shredder and Junior (f.e.) have had more credits :-) All in all I think that Fritz is best for long matches like in Sweden. But Shredder, Junior and also Tiger are better tournament players. Still, I have the idea that Fritz knows a lot more about chess than earlier versions. Of course sometimes it has no understanding, but that counts for all other programs as well. Furthermore, it is quite an achievement to top the SSDF list for so long! On the other hand, the top spot in the SSDF is no guarantee for succes in tournaments :-) Jeroen >Usually I'd agree with you, this cannot be luck/statistics at all. >But: I don't see Fritz superior than other progs. I go even further and say >Fritz is in many positions blind (from the CHESS point of view) and inferior to >several other progs. And this really makes me believe that the SSDF testing >method is different than my understanding. Of course learning plays a role, but >I'd prefer a program to NOT make a mistake first because of positional >misunderstanding. And I don't understand why programs having learned from >hundred(s of) games are tested vs. programs with no learning values at all. >These are no equal conditions. And that is why I reset the learning values (book >and position) before each match. And that is certainly a main reason why I don't >"see" and superiority nor see results in my tests that could show it. > >Ed Schroeder once wrote that SSDF finds out the best learner. And I absolutely >agree with this statement. Personally I am not interested in the best learner. >And looking at CHESS UNDERSTANDING Fritz is definitely not my first choice, >although Fritz 7 has made a significant step forward in chess understanding. > >I would be very interested how the results look like if the learn files (also >book) were deleted before each new match.
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