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Subject: Re: GM position from 1899, against programs in 2002

Author: Ernst Walet

Date: 23:13:09 05/25/02

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On May 24, 2002 at 23:36:03, Roy Brunjes wrote:

>On May 24, 2002 at 22:27:18, K. Burcham wrote:
>
>>
>>will your program play 15...Nxg2
>>
>> [D] 2krr3/pppb1ppp/3b4/3q4/3P3n/2P2N1P/PP2B1P1/R1BQ1RK1 b - - 0 1
>>
>>
>>[Site "London"]
>>[Date "1899.??.??"]
>>[White "Steinitz, W"]
>>[Black "Lasker, E"]
>>[Result "0-1"]
>>[ECO "C29"]
>>
>>1. e4 e5 2. Nc3 Nf6 3. f4 d5 4. d3 Nc6 5. fxe5
>>Nxe5 6. d4 Ng6 7. exd5 Nxd5 8. Nxd5 Qxd5 9. Nf3
>>Bg4 10. Be2 O-O-O 11. c3 Bd6 12. O-O Rhe8 13. h3New game
>2krr3/pppb1ppp/3b4/3q4/3P3n/2P2N1P/PP2B1P1/R1BQ1RK1 b - - 0 1
>
>
>>Bd7 14. Ng5 Nh4 15. Nf3 Nxg2 16. Kxg2 Bxh3+ 17. Kf2
>>f6 18. Rg1 g5 19. Bxg5 fxg5 20. Rxg5 Qe6 21. Qd3
>>Bf4 22. Rh1 Bxg5 23. Nxg5 Qf6+ 24. Bf3 Bf5 25. Nxh7
>>Qg6 26. Qb5 c6 27. Qa5 Re7 28. Rh5 Bg4 29. Rg5
>>Qc2+ 30. Kg3 Bxf3  0-1
>>
>>kburcham
>
>Hiarcs 8 (Athlon 1800XP+ 1.53 GHz, 128 MB Hash) reports the following:
>
>Analysis by Hiarcs 8:
>
>1...Qe4
>  µ  (-1.29)   Depth: 1   00:00:00
>1...Qe4 2.Nxh4
>  µ  (-0.95)   Depth: 2/8   00:00:00
>1...Qe4 2.Bd3 Qe7 3.Nxh4 Qxh4 4.Rxf7
>  =  (0.11)   Depth: 2/8   00:00:00
>1...Nf5 2.c4
>  µ  (-0.84)   Depth: 2/8   00:00:00
>1...Nf5 2.Bg5 f6
>  µ  (-0.98)   Depth: 3/9   00:00:00
>1...Nf5 2.c4 Qe4 3.Bd3
>  µ  (-0.95)   Depth: 4/10   00:00:00
>1...Nf5 2.c4 Qe6 3.Bd3 h5
>  µ  (-0.93)   Depth: 5/16   00:00:00  12kN
>1...Nf5 2.Bd3
>  ³  (-0.68)   Depth: 6/17   00:00:00  82kN
>1...Nf5 2.Bd3 h5 3.c4 Qe6 4.Bd2
>  ³  (-0.65)   Depth: 6/18   00:00:00  97kN
>1...Nf5 2.Bd3 Ng3 3.c4 Qh5 4.Re1 f5
>  ³  (-0.69)   Depth: 7/21   00:00:01  289kN
>1...Nf5 2.Bd3 Bb5 3.Bxb5 Qxb5 4.Qb3 a6 5.Qxb5 axb5
>  ³  (-0.67)   Depth: 8/26   00:00:05  957kN
>1...Nf5 2.Bd3 Bb5 3.Bxb5 Qxb5 4.Qb3 Qd7 5.Bg5 f6 6.Bh4 Re2
>  ³  (-0.63)   Depth: 9/30   00:00:17  3123kN
>1...Nxg2 2.Kxg2 Bxh3+ 3.Kxh3 Qf5+ 4.Kg2 Qg4+ 5.Kh1 Qh3+ 6.Kg1 Qg3+ 7.Kh1 Re4
>8.Bf4 Bxf4
>  µ  (-0.84)   Depth: 9/32   00:00:33  5937kN
>1...Nxg2 2.Kxg2 Bxh3+ 3.Kxh3 Qf5+ 4.Kg2 Qg4+ 5.Kh1 Qh3+ 6.Kg1 Qg3+ 7.Kh1 Re4
>8.Bg5 Rg4 9.Rf2 Qxf2 10.Qf1 Qxf1+ 11.Rxf1
>  µ  (-0.91)   Depth: 10/33   00:01:06  11796kN
>1...Nxg2 2.Kxg2
>  µ  (-1.16)   Depth: 11/38   00:02:43  27305kN


For speedd comparison, these are the rsults of Hiarcs8 an a Celeron 1200.  I
tried it with borh 128MB and 512MB hash, expecting a lower node count with a
bigger hashtable.  To My suprise, it needed somawhat more with a bigger
hashtable size.

Ernst.

New game
2krr3/pppb1ppp/3b4/3q4/3P3n/2P2N1P/PP2B1P1/R1BQ1RK1 b - - 0 1

Analysis by Hiarcs 8:

1...Qe4
  µ  (-1.29)   Depth: 1   00:00:00
1...Qe4 2.Nxh4
  µ  (-0.95)   Depth: 2/8   00:00:00
1...Qe4 2.Bd3 Qe7 3.Nxh4 Qxh4 4.Rxf7
  =  (0.11)   Depth: 2/8   00:00:00
1...Nf5 2.c4
  µ  (-0.84)   Depth: 2/8   00:00:00
1...Nf5 2.Bg5 f6
  µ  (-0.98)   Depth: 3/9   00:00:00
1...Nf5 2.c4 Qe4 3.Bd3
  µ  (-0.95)   Depth: 4/10   00:00:00
1...Nf5 2.c4 Qe6 3.Bd3 h5
  µ  (-0.93)   Depth: 5/16   00:00:00  12kN
1...Nf5 2.Bd3
  ³  (-0.68)   Depth: 6/17   00:00:00  82kN
1...Nf5 2.Bd3 h5 3.c4 Qe6 4.Bd2
  ³  (-0.65)   Depth: 6/18   00:00:00  97kN
1...Nf5 2.Bd3 Ng3 3.c4 Qh5 4.Re1 f5
  ³  (-0.69)   Depth: 7/21   00:00:02  289kN
1...Nf5 2.Bd3 Bb5 3.Bxb5 Qxb5 4.Qb3 a6 5.Qxb5 axb5
  ³  (-0.67)   Depth: 8/26   00:00:07  957kN
1...Nf5 2.Bd3 Bb5 3.Bxb5 Qxb5 4.Qb3 Qd7 5.Bg5 f6 6.Bh4 Re2
  ³  (-0.63)   Depth: 9/30   00:00:22  3123kN
1...Nxg2 2.Kxg2 Bxh3+ 3.Kxh3 Qf5+ 4.Kg2 Qg4+ 5.Kh1 Qh3+ 6.Kg1 Qg3+ 7.Kh1 Re4
8.Bf4 Bxf4
  µ  (-0.84)   Depth: 9/32   00:00:44  5937kN
1...Nxg2 2.Kxg2 Bxh3+ 3.Kxh3 Qf5+ 4.Kg2 Qg4+ 5.Kh1 Qh3+ 6.Kg1 Qg3+ 7.Kh1 Re4
8.Bg5 Rg4 9.Rf2 Qxf2 10.Qf1 Qxf1+ 11.Rxf1
  µ  (-0.91)   Depth: 10/33   00:01:27  11796kN
1...Nxg2 2.Kxg2
  µ  (-1.16)   Depth: 11/38   00:03:37  27305kN
1...Nxg2 2.Kxg2 Bxh3+ 3.Kf2 Bxf1 4.Qxf1 Kb8 5.Bd3 h6 6.c4 Qh5 7.Qg2 g5
  -+  (-1.44)   Depth: 11/40   00:07:16  55656kN

(Celeron 1200MHz, 128MB hash, 3, 4 and 5 piece EGTB's 26.05.2002)


New game
2krr3/pppb1ppp/3b4/3q4/3P3n/2P2N1P/PP2B1P1/R1BQ1RK1 b - - 0 1

Analysis by Hiarcs 8:

1...Qe4
  µ  (-1.29)   Depth: 1   00:00:00
1...Qe4 2.Nxh4
  µ  (-0.95)   Depth: 2/8   00:00:00
1...Qe4 2.Bd3 Qe7 3.Nxh4 Qxh4 4.Rxf7
  =  (0.11)   Depth: 2/8   00:00:00
1...Nf5 2.c4
  µ  (-0.84)   Depth: 2/8   00:00:00
1...Nf5 2.Bg5 f6
  µ  (-0.98)   Depth: 3/9   00:00:00
1...Nf5 2.c4 Qe4 3.Bd3
  µ  (-0.95)   Depth: 4/10   00:00:00
1...Nf5 2.c4 Qe6 3.Bd3 h5
  µ  (-0.93)   Depth: 5/16   00:00:00  12kN
1...Nf5 2.Bd3
  ³  (-0.68)   Depth: 6/17   00:00:00  82kN
1...Nf5 2.Bd3 h5 3.c4 Qe6 4.Bd2
  ³  (-0.65)   Depth: 6/18   00:00:01  97kN
1...Nf5 2.Bd3 Ng3 3.c4 Qh5 4.Re1 f5
  ³  (-0.69)   Depth: 7/21   00:00:02  289kN
1...Nf5 2.Bd3 Bb5 3.Bxb5 Qxb5 4.Qb3 a6 5.Qxb5 axb5
  ³  (-0.67)   Depth: 8/26   00:00:07  957kN
1...Nf5 2.Bd3 Bb5 3.Bxb5 Qxb5 4.Qb3 Qd7 5.Bg5 f6 6.Bh4 Re2
  ³  (-0.63)   Depth: 9/30   00:00:23  3123kN
1...Nxg2 2.Kxg2 Bxh3+ 3.Kxh3 Qf5+ 4.Kg2 Qg4+ 5.Kh1 Qh3+ 6.Kg1 Qg3+ 7.Kh1 Re4
8.Bf4 Bxf4
  µ  (-0.84)   Depth: 9/32   00:00:44  5937kN
1...Nxg2 2.Kxg2 Bxh3+ 3.Kxh3 Qf5+ 4.Kg2 Qg4+ 5.Kh1 Qh3+ 6.Kg1 Qg3+ 7.Kh1 Re4
8.Bg5 Rg4 9.Rf2 Qxf2 10.Qf1 Qxf1+ 11.Rxf1
  µ  (-0.91)   Depth: 10/33   00:01:27  11796kN
1...Nxg2 2.Kxg2
  µ  (-1.16)   Depth: 11/38   00:03:36  27308kN
1...Nxg2 2.Kxg2 Bxh3+ 3.Kf2 Bxf1 4.Qxf1 Kb8 5.Bd3 h6 6.c4 Qh5 7.Qg2 g5
  -+  (-1.44)   Depth: 11/40   00:07:16  56000kN

(Celeron 1200MHz, 512MB hash, 3, 4 and 5 piece EGTB's 26.05.2002)




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