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Subject: Re: SSDF should test Crafty 18.15 or should it?

Author: Vincent Diepeveen

Date: 07:50:46 05/27/02

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On May 27, 2002 at 09:21:29, Uri Blass wrote:

Please make a difference between position learning and
booklearning. A program that's doing booklearning might
be brilliant, but it will keep on losing the same game

>On May 27, 2002 at 07:51:02, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>
>>On May 27, 2002 at 07:13:34, Jouni Uski wrote:
>>
>>>If they don't get Hiarcs8, why not to test Crafty18.15 with good book! Either
>>>with Fritz7 book (if testing Chessbase native) or with WB2UCI converter and good
>>>native book. Or is this waste of time? Second candidate is to test is may be
>>>Yace.
>>>
>>>JOuni
>>
>>yes with fritz7 book would be a great test. But i am not sure they
>>like in sweden crafty kicking butt of everything and everyone using
>>the secret chessbase auto232 player.
>>
>>in fact they never post with which book who plays.
>
>I am really interested in the value of the Fritz7 book.
>
>It may be interesting if someone can test the same program against itself  when
>one side gets the Fritz7 book and the other side has no book and only use
>learning to play a different first move after a loss.
>
>There are 20 different moves in the first move so the program with no book is
>not going to lose the same game twice(it may also forget avoid moves after many
>games because after 20 games with the same color it can be almost sure that the
>opponent is different and there are only few cases when the ssdf do mathces of
>more than 40 games and usually in these cases the number of games is 42 or 44).
>
>There is a possibility of losing the same game with different order of moves
>twice(1.e4 e6 2.d4 and 1.d4 e6 2.e4) but if the learning is good enough then the
>program is not going to allow a position that it knows that it lost and after
>losing a game by 1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 it is going to play a different move after 1.d4
>e6 2.e4.
>
>I guess that a program with no book and simple learning may be not more than 100
>elo weaker than the same program with the Fritz7 book.
>
>There may be even cases when the program with no book may repeat the same win
>again and again.
>
>1.h3 gives equality and if a program wins by 1.h3 it may repeat it and if the
>opponent has no reply in it's book against 1.h3 and no positional learning then
>the opponent may lose again and again.
>
>Opening like 1.e4 a6 are also not a sure loss and I guess that the program is
>not going to need to try some really bad moves like 1.e4 f6 or 1.e4 f5 or 1.e4
>b5 because it is not going to lose almost every game with black and these moves
>are going to be the last in it's priority and it may try them only if it lost in
>every other choice in the last 19 games.
>
>Uri



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