Author: Vincent Diepeveen
Date: 08:02:45 05/27/02
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On May 27, 2002 at 09:46:12, Slater Wold wrote: Now imagine how many idiots fell over me when i presented perfectly optimized DIEP executables onto a hardware site where intel usually gets praised into heaven. In fact, intel spokesman were busy telling me i should optimize for P4 in order to get faster on P4, but the margin which AMD is faster for me is *huge*. Seems to me that P4 2.53Ghz has closed in for crafty (which is just too much dependant at memory speed as it is doing loads of lookups to memory). Then i speak about the small L1 datacahce of the P4 at that site and they fall over me. It appears the small L1 cache of the P4, which is 1024 words only of 64 bits (against like 16384 words or so for the K7) is so integrated into the P4, that my 'simplistic' comment that they should double or quadruple it in order to get the P4 real fast for the average application which is integer based, that they got real mad. Obviously for P4 everything falls outside of that small L1 cache, so the memory speed for some applications and bandwidth for others is very important for the speed. Nevertheless, all those idiots run intel optimized programs. I blame this onto AMD themselves. They should simply have their own compiler release for windows! Right now intel is giving away for FREE versions of their buggy compiler even, which is very fast on intel machines, but dead slow of course on K7s, whereas the K7 has BIG potential to speedup programs! Anyway, the P4 2.53Ghz is the 'end of the line' version of the P4 for now. Within a few months the 0.13 micron K7s will be shipping i guess. Even cheating a bit with compilers won't help then :) >Come on man. This was MY comparison, and for sure, the last comparison I ever >do for CCC. > >1.) I wasn't comparing money. Who cares about money. If I wanted to compare >money, would I have bothered actually BUYING the equipment? Of course not! I >would have just made a list of what costs how much, and that would have been it. > MY test was to see which CPU was faster. > >2.) I did everything I could to make sure this test was as "equal" as possible. >I used the same exact programs, I used the same exact drivers, hell, I even used >the same video card in some tests. But that's not good enough. I didn't use >the correct EXE, or I didn't use the right BIOS settings. > >I am sitting here, in front of an AMD 1.73Ghz, beside me, an Intel P4 2.53Ghz. >I have run application after application, and I am here to tell you, that P4 is >faster. PERIOD. > >Send me the EXEs, settings, driver, whatever you'd like. But I am telling you, >I've been up for 23 hours now, doing this shit. I've seen it all with my own 2 >eyes. When you have a P4 sitting next to you, then come talk to me. > > >Good nite.
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