Author: Vincent Diepeveen
Date: 09:00:34 05/27/02
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On May 27, 2002 at 11:47:15, Terry McCracken wrote: >On May 27, 2002 at 10:54:45, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: > >>On May 27, 2002 at 09:39:29, Jorge Pichard wrote: >> >>In computerchess AMD is anything but beaten. We compare that right now >>with K7s of 0.18 micron technology which run "only" 1.73Ghz. >> >>Soon also 0.13 micron technology will get released and then >>the K7 also will run 2.53Ghz soon. It will take intel years >>to move on to smaller technology than 0.13, not to mention >>AMD. >> >>bottomline is that no good testing has taken place. only >>INTEL compiled versions are compared here. They're not compared >>with AMD optimized versions simply so far. Bob seems not awake yet,Also please >>understand that the P4 2.53Ghz is the maximum they can pull >>out of the 0.13 micron technology. >>so an AMD optimized crafty we still have to wait for a bit. >> >>>It took Intel quite a bit to finally beat AMD, but for how many years Intel has >>>been behind AMD and how many months it will take before AMD climb back into >>>number one? It is just a matter of months, but right now it is also a matter of >>>how much performance you get for every $ dollar, and in this comparison AMD >>>still leads. >>> >>>Jorge. > > >Please....You said, "Also please understand that the P4 2.53Ghz is the maximum >they can pull out of the 0.13 micron technology." > >Also, I quote, "It will take intel years to move on to smaller technology than >0.13, not to mention AMD." >That is the biggest load of crap I've heard yet! not really. it takes years to open new production factories. planning must be done years ahead already. >The P-4 on the 0.13 micron process, has the potential to exceed 5Ghz easily, >maybe even 10Ghz! Not really, just ask how much watt the P4 at 2.53 generates and how much watt it eats and you will soon realize that they might try to clock the sucking part of the processor higher, but that won't speed them up much. They need a complete redesign of the cpu, as the L1 is completely integrated into the cpu in order to get faster. >The P-4 is still under developement and by the time they reduce it to a .09 and >.06 micron process, and they will, it will hit speeds of 20Ghz+ maybe 30Ghz+ and >all this by 2005 to 2007! Even if you clock the P4 to 40 Ghz it will be kicked by a 1Ghz McKinley. Pressing a different sticker onto it won't speed itup. Of course 20Ghz is something out of reach and we won't see 0.06 micron soon. 2005 is still 3 years ahead. Who knows what happens in the meantime? You really believe the current P4 is really faster than the current K7, not to mention the K7s that are getting shipped soon hopefully? >Stop making false claims. Slater has done some very good work here and invested >alot of time and money for everyone here to get some comparative results, and >you shit in his face! Shame on you! >TM With reason we shit on him. I prefer to discuss only computerchess here, but to really shit on his face, let's say his FPS test is complete nonsense. Use the fastest graphics card you can get for such a test. Like geforce 4 or whatever is fastest now. Because with old stupid cards the test is not accurate. I'm amazed to hear he needs fast graphics and rendering with a sucking graphics card. Even my old P3-800 with a stupid graphics card is faster than what he has! Then he tested crafty, but compared 2 compiles of intel c++ compiler. Amazingly he has intel c++ 5.01 at home, but not msvc 6.0 sp4 procpack or whatever that's non-intel. That's not a fair compare. It's like: "i want to know what is best chessprogram, so i asked chessbase what they find best chessprogram, so i tell you now what they showed me and will present that as the truth!" Best regards, Vincent
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