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Subject: Re: SSDF, Comet A90 - CT 14.9a Palm, 1½-½, now 10.5 - 3.5 ?

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 11:07:49 05/27/02

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On May 27, 2002 at 13:27:21, Roy Eassa wrote:

>On May 27, 2002 at 13:11:42, Christophe Theron wrote:
>
>>On May 27, 2002 at 03:43:10, Ulrich Tuerke wrote:
>>
>>>On May 27, 2002 at 01:26:53, Uri Blass wrote:
>>>
>>>>On May 27, 2002 at 00:30:24, Frank Schneider wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On May 26, 2002 at 18:49:23, Jorge Pichard wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>So far CT 14.9 is showing a SSDF rating less than 2125.
>>>>>
>>>>>IMHO computer vs. computer matches exaggerate the difference, I think
>>>>>Comet and Tiger were closer if both were matched against humans.
>>>>>
>>>>>However, the match shows that even a very good engine can't easily
>>>>>compensate a factor 10-20 hardware disadvantage.
>>>>>
>>>>>Frank
>>>>
>>>>The hardware advantage of Comet is a lot more than being 10-20 times faster.
>>>
>>>That's probably correct.
>>>I have heard that the difference from a Palm to a 486/50 is about a factot of 6.
>>>Accounting for another factor of 8 or so, you 'll get the P200.
>>>So, I'd guess Comet's advantage is roughly a factor of 50 in this match.
>>>Quite a a lot.
>>>
>>>Correct, Chris ?
>>
>>
>>Let's compute it another way.
>>
>>The Pentium Pro executes roughly one instruction per cycle (actually I think
>>it's 1.1 instruction/cycle in average). That makes 200M instruction/second.
>>
>>The DragonBall needs IIRC 14 clock cycles per instruction (average). Maybe
>>somebody can confirm or infirm this (the DragonBall is a 68000).
>>
>>So 48M/14=3.429M instruction/second.
>>
>>So the PP200 @200MHz seems to be approximately 200/3.429 = 58 times faster than
>>the DragonBall @48MHz.
>>
>>But it does not look right because on my Palm (m505 @54MHz) I get a TigerMark of
>>1.3 and on a K6-2 450MHz I get 225. So the TigerMark on PP200 should be close to
>>100 (which is actually how the TigerMark has been calibrated: PP200=100), and so
>>by this method PP200 is 77 times faster than DragonBall @54MHz, so PP200 is 87
>>times faster than DragonBall @48MHz.
>>
>>Let's say it's between 58 and 87 times faster. My best guess: Comet's hardware
>>is 72 times faster than Tiger's.
>>
>
>
>I hate to throw in another factor, but having programmed in 8088 and 68000
>assembly language, I think that many higher-level operations require fewer
>instructions on the 68000 than do equivalent operations on the 8088.  This might
>mitigate the factor a bit (i.e., instead of 58-87, maybe it's more like 2/3 of
>that, or 39-58, which would then include the factor of 50 previously estimated).

I think that you forget that Comet can use bigger hash tables than palm tiger.
Doubling the hash tables means 6-7% speed improvement.

Uri



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