Author: Aaron Gordon
Date: 12:43:31 05/27/02
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Of course. Without a proper setup you can make the nicest system run like absolute crap. The via 4in1 drivers for example contain and AGP driver required for proper operation. Tons of people were complaining, "Why is my AMD box only getting 1,300 in 3DMark 2000 and blah blah blah"... or something similar (low results). After they installed the latest 4in1's their score jumped up to ~5,000-8,000. Just goes to show what a little bit of knowledge can go. I've seen SO many pages that have done this. Not even bothering installing the 4in1's off the CD even. I'm sure you have done a lot of testing and I know you're only trying to do us a favor and we do appreciate that. Unfortunately when this testing isn't done properly it is a complete waste. The CPU, Motherboard, RAM, Videocard, etc all play a huge part in the testing obviously. You can have a 1.73GHz AthlonXP, the best ram, the best video card but a horrible board in terms of performance and actually end up having a much slower system run circles around it. Chipsets make a huge difference. Some aren't nearly as effecient as others (KT266 @ 50%, KT266a @ 95-97%. KT133a is also 95-97%, KT133 is only %50 or so). Even if you buy a $1000 board like my friend did way back in the day does not mean you're getting a 'fast' board or one with more options. A friend of mine (not too knowledgable about computers at the time) decided to get a $1000 tyan board and two 400MHz Xeon CPU's for $1200 each. He figured with it being so expensive how can it NOT beat my box? Well, was it fast? Yes. Could it even come close to my $200 (board+cpu) Celeron 300 @ 644Mhz on an Abit BH6? Nope. It was even faster at only 450-504mhz. That was the last Intel box he got actually.. I kept up with the Celerons for a while. They aren't exactly fast but are fun to overclock. Now, for the non-overclockers. Getting such boards ($80-100 overclockers boards, Epox 8KHA+, 8K3A, Abit KT7a, KR7, etc) will provide the best performance even when not overclocking due to all the tweak options & whatnot. Also Slate, I HAVE done testing against a P4's. I haven't tested against any of the 2.2GHz+ P4's or the northwoods directly but I did pit my box and some of my older box's against a P4-2GHz. I made sure both computers were running idental OS's, benchmark settings, drivers, etc. I was totally fair in all tests optimizing both computers as much as possible. Yes, my two main AMD machines did kick the hell out of it quite easily. When I get the money up I'll try to "rent" a P4-2.53 and two of the fastest boards (one for DDR, one RDRAM) and test it again. As you have seen in some of my previous tests I did run some tests against some northwoods (crafty benchmark for example) where even the old overclocked Thunderbird had a good edge over a 2465MHz Northwood P4 with a bus of almost 550MHz. Also you forget to mention that the "mflops" in sisoft Sandra for the P4 are with the P4 using SSE2. The AthlonXP was NOT using 3DNow/SSE. Try comparing the results of the straight P4 fpu to the straight AthlonXP FPU. Doesn't seem like you're even trying to play fair... On May 27, 2002 at 09:46:12, Slater Wold wrote: >Come on man. This was MY comparison, and for sure, the last comparison I ever >do for CCC. > >1.) I wasn't comparing money. Who cares about money. If I wanted to compare >money, would I have bothered actually BUYING the equipment? Of course not! I >would have just made a list of what costs how much, and that would have been it. > MY test was to see which CPU was faster. > >2.) I did everything I could to make sure this test was as "equal" as possible. >I used the same exact programs, I used the same exact drivers, hell, I even used >the same video card in some tests. But that's not good enough. I didn't use >the correct EXE, or I didn't use the right BIOS settings. > >I am sitting here, in front of an AMD 1.73Ghz, beside me, an Intel P4 2.53Ghz. >I have run application after application, and I am here to tell you, that P4 is >faster. PERIOD. > >Send me the EXEs, settings, driver, whatever you'd like. But I am telling you, >I've been up for 23 hours now, doing this shit. I've seen it all with my own 2 >eyes. When you have a P4 sitting next to you, then come talk to me. > > >Good nite.
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