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Subject: Re: can GM's learn from programs

Author: Roy Eassa

Date: 14:56:50 05/27/02

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On May 27, 2002 at 17:13:29, Robert Henry Durrett wrote:

>On May 21, 2002 at 10:13:29, K. Burcham wrote:
>
>>
>>not discussing opening book moves.
>>not discussing egtb's.
>>not discussing a pawn promotion.
>>
>>
>>
>>lets start out saying GM eval is 0, and program eval is 0.
>>lots of time left on both clocks. time is not an issue.
>>
>>the GM makes a move and plays what he sees as a safe move.
>>GM took three minutes to move, but he cannot see the material winning
>>combination for the program.
>>the program takes three more minutes to see material winning move.
>>finally program plays winning move, and GM can see combination.
>>
>>program wins.
>>
>>If GM's cannot learn strategy from programs, if GM's can only learn tactics,
>>then the question is:  in the above described game , it would seem that most of
>>the time the GM cannot learn tactics either. if the combination is too deep for
>>the GM to see he loses material, then he cannot see this in another game.
>>
>>Just wondering how a GM can learn from home practice with programs.
>>it would seem that in a postion were the GM could play a losing move and he
>>cannot see the deep combination, but the program can, he could not have won
>>anyway.
>>
>>maybe some will answer that this is not possible. maybe some will say there
>>is no posiiton that the program can see winning material but GM cannot.
>>
>>of course i am not refering to an simple oversight by the GM. i am not refering
>>to a simple human blunder. i am refering to a situation that the GM says he
>>could not see the combination until it was played out.
>>
>>kburcham
>
>I am not a GM and therefore cannot speak with authority as to what a GM can or
>cannot do.  However, it seems to me that the more time you spend with chess [ANY
>kind of chess], the better you will get at chess in general.  To that extent, at
>least, I would expect that the GM can learn from practice with programs.
>
>Bob D.


I've heard that the more time a GM spends playing speed chess, the *weaker* his
slow game will get, usually.



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