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Subject: Re: CM8000 still better than Fritz 6 or 7 No And Never Was!

Author: Sandi Ordinario

Date: 09:37:28 05/28/02

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On May 28, 2002 at 12:02:58, pavel wrote:

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>>Hi TM
>>I looked at the results of the computer tournament and immediately I noticed
>>that the top dozen or so were running on AMD Athlon at 1.2GHz but CM and all the
>>rest of the runner-ups were on 450MHz. This is unfair. Why does not someone run
>>them at the same computer type and speed like I am doing? Perhaps they will get
>>a surprise of their life.
>>Sandi
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>10 Deep Fritz 128MB K6-2 450 MHz  2652 23 -23 945 61% 2570
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>13 Gambit Tiger 2.0 128MB K6-2 450 MHz  2640 30 -29 592 66% 2521
>14 Fritz 7.0 128MB K6-2 450 MHz  2631 45 -44 250 56% 2592
>14 Junior 7.0 128MB K6-2 450 MHz  2631 27 -26 739 67% 2507
>16 Chess Tiger 14.0 CB 128MB K6-2 450 MHz  2630 28 -27 652 62% 2541
>16 Shredder 6.0 UCI 128MB K6-2 450 MHz  2630 65 -62 124 57% 2578
>18 Fritz 6.0 128MB K6-2 450 MHz  2623 23 -22 1014 63% 2529
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>20 Shredder 5.32 128MB K6-2 450 MHz  2606 31 -30 545 62% 2521
>21 Junior 6.0 128MB K6-2 450 MHz  2588 18 -18 1483 58% 2533
>22 Chess Tiger 12.0 DOS 128MB K6-2 450 MHz  2587 22 -22 1021 55% 2551
>23 Shredder 5.0 128MB K6-2 450 MHz  2586 20 -20 1176 56% 2544
>24 Rebel Century 4.0 128MB K6-2 450 MHz  2571 59 -61 138 44% 2612
>25 Shredder 4.0 128MB K6-2 450 MHz  2568 23 -22 986 58% 2508
>26 Nimzo 8.0 128MB K6-2 450 MHz  2554 24 -24 846 53% 2536
>27 Fritz 5.32 128MB K6-2 450 MHz  2553 24 -23 890 55% 2514
>28 Nimzo 7.32 128MB K6-2 450 MHz  2551 21 -21 1070 54% 2520
>29 Junior 5.0 128MB K6-2 450 MHz  2537 22 -22 996 52% 2520
>30 Gandalf 5.0 128MB K6-2 450 MHz  2532 73 -68 102 60% 2458
>31 Gandalf 4.32f 128MB K6-2 450 MHz  2531 28 -28 627 51% 2524
>32 Hiarcs 7.32 128MB K6-2 450 MHz  2527 21 -21 1131 47% 2546
>33 Hiarcs 7.01 128MB K6-2 450 MHz  2521 30 -31 525 43% 2573
>34 SOS 128MB K6-2 450 MHz  2520 19 -19 1307 47% 2539
>35 Gandalf 4.32h 128MB K6-2 450 MHz  2518 36 -36 378 53% 2498
>36 Rebel Century 3.0 128MB K6-2 450 MHz  2517 30 -30 546 49% 2523
>37 Chessmaster 8000 128MB K6-2 450 MHz  2516 44 -45 251 45% 2549
>38 Goliath Light 128MB K6-2 450 MHz  2507 24 -24 857 42% 2565
>39 Crafty 17.07/CB 128MB K6-2 450 MHz  2490 23 -23 912 47% 2513
>40 Nimzo 99 128MB K6-2 450 MHz  2485 22 -22 996 44% 2528
>41 MChess Pro 8.0 128MB K6-2 450 MHz  2478 25 -26 753 40% 2549
>42 Genius 6.5 128MB K6-2 450 MHz  2474 29 -29 565 48% 2487
>43 Crafty 18.12/CB 128MB K6-2 450 MHz  2472 35 -37 384 41% 2539
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>the point is, at that level with that hardware, chessmaster is no where around
>the best is deepfritz which is rated 2652 and chesmaster is rated 2516
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>thats more than a 100 elo differance, though you can argue that not enough games
>where played, but how many did you play?
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>I know CM8000 is good and all that, but it certainly is not at the same level as
>far as strength is concerned (IMO).
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>There is like 25 more engines above CM8000 in SSDF list.
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>pavs

Hi Pavel!
I played about ten games as I have explained to Mustafa and only on one occasion
did Fritz draw CM8000. I was running it on 1.5GHz Pentium 4 as White while
CM8000 was black on a 0.9GHz Pentium 3. I hope someone could explain this better
to me or at least have me specifically change parameters for Fritz6 so that it
could win even if I run it on the Pentium 3 against other software except
perhaps the newer versions.

I see your logic but have you tried running the CM8000 on the 1.2GHz speed and
compared it to both the winners and the runner-ups. What you say is just one
side of the story. We should scientifically examine the whole range of computer
speeds.
Sandi



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