Author: Terry McCracken
Date: 10:06:01 05/28/02
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On May 28, 2002 at 12:54:47, Sandi Ordinario wrote: >On May 28, 2002 at 12:52:40, Sandi Ordinario wrote: > >>On May 28, 2002 at 12:50:30, Terry McCracken wrote: >> >>>On May 28, 2002 at 12:00:56, Sandi Ordinario wrote: >>> >>>>On May 28, 2002 at 11:53:55, Jorge wrote: >>>> >>>>>On May 28, 2002 at 11:00:51, Sandi Ordinario wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On May 28, 2002 at 09:45:17, Terry McCracken wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On May 28, 2002 at 09:19:30, Sandi Ordinario wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Hi Mustafa et al, >>>>>>>>Last week I wrote about CM on Pentium 3 beating Fritz on Pentium 4 whether >>>>>>>>playing White or Black. I optimized Book options, reduced Hash to 2MB and turned >>>>>>>>off all options except notation for Fritz. Both software was on 10 sec/move. If >>>>>>>>I swapped them on the computers, CM8K run on Pentium 4 would beat Fritz on less >>>>>>>>than 40 moves very brilliantly (sacrifices and all). I don't know what to do. I >>>>>>>>hope it is not all hype for Fritz. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Then I tried 20sec/move same settings but I raised Fritz's Hash to 4MB on the >>>>>>>>Pentium 4 as white. It was able to draw for the first time CM8000 after 80 >>>>>>>>moves. Perhaps Fritz is better with more thinking time, that is with higher Hash >>>>>>>>setting. What do you think? I think you're trolling! >>>>>>>>Sandi >>>>>>> >>>>>>>http://w1.859.telia.com/%7Eu85924109/ssdf/list.htm >>>>>>> >>>>>>>TM >>>>>> >>>>>>Hi TM >>>>>>I looked at the results of the computer tournament and immediately I noticed >>>>>>that the top dozen or so were running on AMD Athlon at 1.2GHz but CM and all the >>>>>>rest of the runner-ups were on 450MHz. This is unfair. Why does not someone run >>>>>>them at the same computer type and speed like I am doing? Perhaps they will get >>>>>>a surprise of their life. >>>>>>Sandi >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>I agree! If this is the case, other variables should be the same or at least as >>>>>close as the same as possible. >>>>> >>>>>regards, >>>>>jorge >>>> >>>>Hi Jorge! >>>>I am glad you agree with my observations. Perhaps computer software performance >>>>should be better regulated. Thanks for your view. >>>>Sandi >>> >>>To both of you, SSDF does a Great Job, now look at the list with the top >>>software running on K6-2 450Mgh 128MB RAM hardware. It is a fair and well >>>regulated. >>> >>> >>>10 Deep Fritz 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2652 23 -23 945 61% 2570 >>>11 Gandalf 5.1 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz 2646 29 -28 595 57% 2594 >>>12 Gandalf 5.0 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz 2642 49 -50 202 46% 2673 >>>13 Gambit Tiger 2.0 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2640 30 -29 592 66% 2521 >>>14 Fritz 7.0 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2631 45 -44 250 56% 2592 >>>14 Junior 7.0 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2631 27 -26 739 67% 2507 >>>16 Chess Tiger 14.0 CB 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2630 28 -27 652 62% 2541 >>>16 Shredder 6.0 UCI 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2630 65 -62 124 57% 2578 >>>18 Fritz 6.0 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2623 23 -22 1014 63% 2529 >>>19 Crafty 18.12/CB 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz 2617 31 -30 519 53% 2595 >>>20 Shredder 5.32 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2606 31 -30 545 62% 2521 >>>21 Junior 6.0 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2588 18 -18 1483 58% 2533 >>>22 Chess Tiger 12.0 DOS 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2587 22 -22 1021 55% 2551 >>>23 Shredder 5.0 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2586 20 -20 1176 56% 2544 >>>24 Rebel Century 4.0 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2571 59 -61 138 44% 2612 >>>25 Shredder 4.0 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2568 23 -22 986 58% 2508 >>>26 Nimzo 8.0 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2554 24 -24 846 53% 2536 >>>27 Fritz 5.32 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2553 24 -23 890 55% 2514 >>>28 Nimzo 7.32 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2551 21 -21 1070 54% 2520 >>>29 Junior 5.0 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2537 22 -22 996 52% 2520 >>>30 Gandalf 5.0 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2532 73 -68 102 60% 2458 >>>31 Gandalf 4.32f 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2531 28 -28 627 51% 2524 >>>32 Hiarcs 7.32 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2527 21 -21 1131 47% 2546 >>>33 Hiarcs 7.01 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2521 30 -31 525 43% 2573 >>>34 SOS 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2520 19 -19 1307 47% 2539 >>>35 Gandalf 4.32h 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2518 36 -36 378 53% 2498 >>>36 Rebel Century 3.0 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2517 30 -30 546 49% 2523 >>>37 Chessmaster 8000 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2516 44 -45 251 45% 2549 >>> >>> >>>http://w1.859.telia.com/%7Eu85924109/ssdf/list.htm >>> >>> >>>Terry > >Please refer to my message to Pavel. One end of the spectrum does not provide a >good conclusion for anyone. CM8000 should be run on the same hardware as the >winner and compared with the rest. This should be more statistically significant >unless I'm off my rocker! >Sandi See my response to you after repling to Pavel. Heck I'll repost it. No, relative hardware will give relative results. Do you think CM8K magically performs better on the a 1.2Ghz machine, relative to it's peers? There is only a speed up of approx. 3x on the 1.2 Ghz. The ratings you see correspond accordingly. That's not "Scientific" and I don't know exactly what you're doing, but regardless of that your sample size is also far to small. Terry
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