Author: Terry McCracken
Date: 11:48:31 05/28/02
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On May 28, 2002 at 14:26:50, Jorge wrote: >On May 28, 2002 at 13:47:43, Terry McCracken wrote: > >>On May 28, 2002 at 13:33:47, Wayne Lowrance wrote: >> >>>On May 28, 2002 at 12:54:47, Sandi Ordinario wrote: >>> >>>>On May 28, 2002 at 12:52:40, Sandi Ordinario wrote: >>>> >>>>>On May 28, 2002 at 12:50:30, Terry McCracken wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On May 28, 2002 at 12:00:56, Sandi Ordinario wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On May 28, 2002 at 11:53:55, Jorge wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On May 28, 2002 at 11:00:51, Sandi Ordinario wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>On May 28, 2002 at 09:45:17, Terry McCracken wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>On May 28, 2002 at 09:19:30, Sandi Ordinario wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Hi Mustafa et al, >>>>>>>>>>>Last week I wrote about CM on Pentium 3 beating Fritz on Pentium 4 whether >>>>>>>>>>>playing White or Black. I optimized Book options, reduced Hash to 2MB and turned >>>>>>>>>>>off all options except notation for Fritz. Both software was on 10 sec/move. If >>>>>>>>>>>I swapped them on the computers, CM8K run on Pentium 4 would beat Fritz on less >>>>>>>>>>>than 40 moves very brilliantly (sacrifices and all). I don't know what to do. I >>>>>>>>>>>hope it is not all hype for Fritz. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Then I tried 20sec/move same settings but I raised Fritz's Hash to 4MB on the >>>>>>>>>>>Pentium 4 as white. It was able to draw for the first time CM8000 after 80 >>>>>>>>>>>moves. Perhaps Fritz is better with more thinking time, that is with higher Hash >>>>>>>>>>>setting. What do you think? I think you're trolling! >>>>>>>>>>>Sandi >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>http://w1.859.telia.com/%7Eu85924109/ssdf/list.htm >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>TM >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Hi TM >>>>>>>>>I looked at the results of the computer tournament and immediately I noticed >>>>>>>>>that the top dozen or so were running on AMD Athlon at 1.2GHz but CM and all the >>>>>>>>>rest of the runner-ups were on 450MHz. This is unfair. Why does not someone run >>>>>>>>>them at the same computer type and speed like I am doing? Perhaps they will get >>>>>>>>>a surprise of their life. >>>>>>>>>Sandi >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>I agree! If this is the case, other variables should be the same or at least as >>>>>>>>close as the same as possible. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>regards, >>>>>>>>jorge >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Hi Jorge! >>>>>>>I am glad you agree with my observations. Perhaps computer software performance >>>>>>>should be better regulated. Thanks for your view. >>>>>>>Sandi >>>>>> >>>>>>To both of you, SSDF does a Great Job, now look at the list with the top >>>>>>software running on K6-2 450Mgh 128MB RAM hardware. It is a fair and well >>>>>>regulated. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>10 Deep Fritz 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2652 23 -23 945 61% 2570 >>>>>>11 Gandalf 5.1 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz 2646 29 -28 595 57% 2594 >>>>>>12 Gandalf 5.0 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz 2642 49 -50 202 46% 2673 >>>>>>13 Gambit Tiger 2.0 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2640 30 -29 592 66% 2521 >>>>>>14 Fritz 7.0 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2631 45 -44 250 56% 2592 >>>>>>14 Junior 7.0 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2631 27 -26 739 67% 2507 >>>>>>16 Chess Tiger 14.0 CB 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2630 28 -27 652 62% 2541 >>>>>>16 Shredder 6.0 UCI 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2630 65 -62 124 57% 2578 >>>>>>18 Fritz 6.0 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2623 23 -22 1014 63% 2529 >>>>>>19 Crafty 18.12/CB 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz 2617 31 -30 519 53% 2595 >>>>>>20 Shredder 5.32 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2606 31 -30 545 62% 2521 >>>>>>21 Junior 6.0 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2588 18 -18 1483 58% 2533 >>>>>>22 Chess Tiger 12.0 DOS 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2587 22 -22 1021 55% 2551 >>>>>>23 Shredder 5.0 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2586 20 -20 1176 56% 2544 >>>>>>24 Rebel Century 4.0 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2571 59 -61 138 44% 2612 >>>>>>25 Shredder 4.0 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2568 23 -22 986 58% 2508 >>>>>>26 Nimzo 8.0 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2554 24 -24 846 53% 2536 >>>>>>27 Fritz 5.32 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2553 24 -23 890 55% 2514 >>>>>>28 Nimzo 7.32 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2551 21 -21 1070 54% 2520 >>>>>>29 Junior 5.0 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2537 22 -22 996 52% 2520 >>>>>>30 Gandalf 5.0 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2532 73 -68 102 60% 2458 >>>>>>31 Gandalf 4.32f 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2531 28 -28 627 51% 2524 >>>>>>32 Hiarcs 7.32 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2527 21 -21 1131 47% 2546 >>>>>>33 Hiarcs 7.01 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2521 30 -31 525 43% 2573 >>>>>>34 SOS 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2520 19 -19 1307 47% 2539 >>>>>>35 Gandalf 4.32h 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2518 36 -36 378 53% 2498 >>>>>>36 Rebel Century 3.0 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2517 30 -30 546 49% 2523 >>>>>>37 Chessmaster 8000 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2516 44 -45 251 45% 2549 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>http://w1.859.telia.com/%7Eu85924109/ssdf/list.htm >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Terry >>>> >>>>Please refer to my message to Pavel. One end of the spectrum does not provide a >>>>good conclusion for anyone. CM8000 should be run on the same hardware as the >>>>winner and compared with the rest. This should be more statistically significant >>>>unless I'm off my rocker! >>>>Sandi >>> >>>Listen to what there saying. >>>Wayne >> >>Who them or me? I did, and the evidence ways highly for Frit7 not CM8K. >> >>I suggest following the tournaments posted here as well...CM8K got it's @ss >>kicked by F7 ver. 7.0.0.6, or were you not paying attention? >> >>Also the SSDF bases their work on statistical numbers that _are_ significant. >> >>Have a problem, write them! >> >>Terry > >First of all, there are strong indications, although not proven, that CM8000 >default settings are NOT the strongest settings (look at Chessfun web site). >Second, even if Fritz7 is better than the TheKing ver3.12 (also not proven), it >sure is NOT going to be by a wide margin that was implied above. > >jorge I'm not ignorant Jorge! I know about Sarah's tests and settings. Oh you're wrong, it's proven statisticly that Fritz 7 is stronger, hell Fritz 6 is stronger than CM8K regardless of fine tuning. For that matter Fritz could be fine tuned as well, but _all_ programmes at SSDF for obvious reasons are tested on _default_ settings. Also the SSDF use LONG T/C's as well as a LARGE sampling so it is SIGNIFICANT and yes the rating difference could be easily half a class or 100 pts. in favour of Fritz! Terry
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