Author: Terry McCracken
Date: 14:41:58 05/28/02
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On May 28, 2002 at 16:12:47, Jorge wrote: >On May 28, 2002 at 14:48:31, Terry McCracken wrote: > >>On May 28, 2002 at 14:26:50, Jorge wrote: >> >>>On May 28, 2002 at 13:47:43, Terry McCracken wrote: >>> >>>>On May 28, 2002 at 13:33:47, Wayne Lowrance wrote: >>>> >>>>>On May 28, 2002 at 12:54:47, Sandi Ordinario wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On May 28, 2002 at 12:52:40, Sandi Ordinario wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On May 28, 2002 at 12:50:30, Terry McCracken wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On May 28, 2002 at 12:00:56, Sandi Ordinario wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>On May 28, 2002 at 11:53:55, Jorge wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>On May 28, 2002 at 11:00:51, Sandi Ordinario wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>On May 28, 2002 at 09:45:17, Terry McCracken wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>On May 28, 2002 at 09:19:30, Sandi Ordinario wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>Hi Mustafa et al, >>>>>>>>>>>>>Last week I wrote about CM on Pentium 3 beating Fritz on Pentium 4 whether >>>>>>>>>>>>>playing White or Black. I optimized Book options, reduced Hash to 2MB and turned >>>>>>>>>>>>>off all options except notation for Fritz. Both software was on 10 sec/move. If >>>>>>>>>>>>>I swapped them on the computers, CM8K run on Pentium 4 would beat Fritz on less >>>>>>>>>>>>>than 40 moves very brilliantly (sacrifices and all). I don't know what to do. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>hope it is not all hype for Fritz. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>Then I tried 20sec/move same settings but I raised Fritz's Hash to 4MB on the >>>>>>>>>>>>>Pentium 4 as white. It was able to draw for the first time CM8000 after 80 >>>>>>>>>>>>>moves. Perhaps Fritz is better with more thinking time, that is with higher Hash >>>>>>>>>>>>>setting. What do you think? I think you're trolling! >>>>>>>>>>>>>Sandi >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>http://w1.859.telia.com/%7Eu85924109/ssdf/list.htm >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>TM >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Hi TM >>>>>>>>>>>I looked at the results of the computer tournament and immediately I noticed >>>>>>>>>>>that the top dozen or so were running on AMD Athlon at 1.2GHz but CM and all the >>>>>>>>>>>rest of the runner-ups were on 450MHz. This is unfair. Why does not someone run >>>>>>>>>>>them at the same computer type and speed like I am doing? Perhaps they will get >>>>>>>>>>>a surprise of their life. >>>>>>>>>>>Sandi >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>I agree! If this is the case, other variables should be the same or at least as >>>>>>>>>>close as the same as possible. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>regards, >>>>>>>>>>jorge >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Hi Jorge! >>>>>>>>>I am glad you agree with my observations. Perhaps computer software performance >>>>>>>>>should be better regulated. Thanks for your view. >>>>>>>>>Sandi >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>To both of you, SSDF does a Great Job, now look at the list with the top >>>>>>>>software running on K6-2 450Mgh 128MB RAM hardware. It is a fair and well >>>>>>>>regulated. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>10 Deep Fritz 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2652 23 -23 945 61% 2570 >>>>>>>>11 Gandalf 5.1 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz 2646 29 -28 595 57% 2594 >>>>>>>>12 Gandalf 5.0 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz 2642 49 -50 202 46% 2673 >>>>>>>>13 Gambit Tiger 2.0 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2640 30 -29 592 66% 2521 >>>>>>>>14 Fritz 7.0 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2631 45 -44 250 56% 2592 >>>>>>>>14 Junior 7.0 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2631 27 -26 739 67% 2507 >>>>>>>>16 Chess Tiger 14.0 CB 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2630 28 -27 652 62% 2541 >>>>>>>>16 Shredder 6.0 UCI 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2630 65 -62 124 57% 2578 >>>>>>>>18 Fritz 6.0 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2623 23 -22 1014 63% 2529 >>>>>>>>19 Crafty 18.12/CB 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz 2617 31 -30 519 53% 2595 >>>>>>>>20 Shredder 5.32 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2606 31 -30 545 62% 2521 >>>>>>>>21 Junior 6.0 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2588 18 -18 1483 58% 2533 >>>>>>>>22 Chess Tiger 12.0 DOS 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2587 22 -22 1021 55% 2551 >>>>>>>>23 Shredder 5.0 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2586 20 -20 1176 56% 2544 >>>>>>>>24 Rebel Century 4.0 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2571 59 -61 138 44% 2612 >>>>>>>>25 Shredder 4.0 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2568 23 -22 986 58% 2508 >>>>>>>>26 Nimzo 8.0 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2554 24 -24 846 53% 2536 >>>>>>>>27 Fritz 5.32 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2553 24 -23 890 55% 2514 >>>>>>>>28 Nimzo 7.32 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2551 21 -21 1070 54% 2520 >>>>>>>>29 Junior 5.0 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2537 22 -22 996 52% 2520 >>>>>>>>30 Gandalf 5.0 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2532 73 -68 102 60% 2458 >>>>>>>>31 Gandalf 4.32f 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2531 28 -28 627 51% 2524 >>>>>>>>32 Hiarcs 7.32 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2527 21 -21 1131 47% 2546 >>>>>>>>33 Hiarcs 7.01 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2521 30 -31 525 43% 2573 >>>>>>>>34 SOS 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2520 19 -19 1307 47% 2539 >>>>>>>>35 Gandalf 4.32h 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2518 36 -36 378 53% 2498 >>>>>>>>36 Rebel Century 3.0 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2517 30 -30 546 49% 2523 >>>>>>>>37 Chessmaster 8000 128MB K6-2 450 MHz 2516 44 -45 251 45% 2549 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>http://w1.859.telia.com/%7Eu85924109/ssdf/list.htm >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Terry >>>>>> >>>>>>Please refer to my message to Pavel. One end of the spectrum does not provide a >>>>>>good conclusion for anyone. CM8000 should be run on the same hardware as the >>>>>>winner and compared with the rest. This should be more statistically significant >>>>>>unless I'm off my rocker! >>>>>>Sandi >>>>> >>>>>Listen to what there saying. >>>>>Wayne >>>> >>>>Who them or me? I did, and the evidence ways highly for Frit7 not CM8K. >>>> >>>>I suggest following the tournaments posted here as well...CM8K got it's @ss >>>>kicked by F7 ver. 7.0.0.6, or were you not paying attention? >>>> >>>>Also the SSDF bases their work on statistical numbers that _are_ significant. >>>> >>>>Have a problem, write them! >>>> >>>>Terry >>> >>>First of all, there are strong indications, although not proven, that CM8000 >>>default settings are NOT the strongest settings (look at Chessfun web site). >>>Second, even if Fritz7 is better than the TheKing ver3.12 (also not proven), it >>>sure is NOT going to be by a wide margin that was implied above. >>> >>>jorge >> >>I'm not ignorant Jorge! I know about Sarah's tests and settings. >> >>Oh you're wrong, it's proven statisticly that Fritz 7 is stronger, hell Fritz 6 >>is stronger than CM8K regardless of fine tuning. >> >>For that matter Fritz could be fine tuned as well, but _all_ programmes at SSDF >>for obvious reasons are tested on _default_ settings. >> >>Also the SSDF use LONG T/C's as well as a LARGE sampling so it is SIGNIFICANT >>and yes the rating difference could be easily half a class or 100 pts. in favour >>of Fritz! >> >>Terry > >Oh, Terry with all due respect, where is this proven? Take away the superior >Fritz opening book, take away the learning from Fritz which Chessmaster does not >have, and let's concentrate in pure Engine strength. Where is the statistics >that proves Fritz to be Significantly better at a 95% confidence level? Please, >by all means- show me! > >jorge Well the same would apply for CM, yes? Take it's book away as well. As for book learning I really can't tell you how significant it is. But I doubt it would create a 100 pt. gap? If this is such a great concern I would suggest contacting Thoralf Karlsson. thoralf.karlsson@mailbox.swipnet.se Terry
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