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Subject: Re: Need a little more help re: earlier post of this end game position

Author: Mike Byrne

Date: 23:31:23 05/31/02

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On June 01, 2002 at 01:45:02, Les Fernandez wrote:

>I am still trying to resolve this problem.  Following is a Crafty output
>announcing ce=-32759 for the following example after a 5 minute analysis.
>
>rnb2r1k/8/2pqp1Q1/pp2NpP1/3P4/b2B2P1/1PPBK3/R7 b - - acd 11; acn 7676585; acs
>31; ce -32759; pv Qd5 Nf3 Qxf3+ Kxf3 Rf7 Rh1+ Rh7 Rxh7#;
>
>[D]rnb2r1k/8/2pqp1Q1/pp2NpP1/3P4/b2B2P1/1PPBK3/R7 b - -
>
>Do you agree that the analysis is right for this first position?
>
>Now if we keep the exact same position but place the black queen on d7 instead
>of d6 from the previous position the analysis takes alot longer but still should
>have the same mate as above since the queen on d7 can still go to d5.
>
>[D]rnb2r1k/3q4/2p1p1Q1/pp2NpP1/3P4/b2B2P1/1PPBK3/R7 b - -
>
>Can someone run these 2 positions and provide me with the results ie ce, pv,
>acd, acn and how long it took to find the mates in both positions please.  I had
>posted several of these earlier but trying to see if in fact there is an error
>on my part or if the chess engines are just having a much more difficult time in
>finding the 2 solutions.  I would think since in both cases the black queen in
>both positions can reach the d5 square which should be a mate.
>
>Thanks
>
>Les


You are thinking ( I believe ) that the position is a win for black if the Q can
get to d5.  Your analysis show it is BLACK that is getting mated in the pv.
With the Q on d7 - BLACK can stop the mate.  With the Q on d6, BLACk can not
stop mate.



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