Author: stuart taylor
Date: 16:54:20 06/01/02
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On June 01, 2002 at 19:36:36, Uri Blass wrote: >On June 01, 2002 at 18:05:10, stuart taylor wrote: > >>On May 31, 2002 at 18:27:58, Ron Langeveld wrote: >> >>>On May 31, 2002 at 06:50:56, stuart taylor wrote: >>> >>>>For me, the experiment is over. Hiarcs does not look especially great at higher >>>>time controls. Even if it would win a match like this (although it is looking a >>>>bit doubtful) it is clear that it does not excell at this time allowance. >>>> Maybe at an hour per move it would, but the indications for that are also >>>>nothing special, as this is not showing any movement in that direction either. >>>> >>>>So, in spite of the one or two brilliances which Hiarcs 8.0 might be capable >>>>of, as written about in Uniaks article, I don't know if I want to buy it for >>>>that alone. >>>>S.Taylor >>> >>>Too bad you are only looking at "statistics" from 5 (?) games instead of using >>>your own knowledge of chess in order to evaluate what Hiarcs' strongpoints are. >>>Imho it is not the tournament book, because that really sucks, so for starters >>>it should have been replaced. >> >>With the results starting off like this, it is hard to believe that Hiarcs will >>have atleast 75% wins over Fritz even after 1000 games. > >I could tell you it before the match. > >It is hard to believe that a top program that does not get at least 60% at blitz >against the top programs can suddenly get more than 75% at long time control. > >I believe that there are programs that earn more from time but the difference is >usually small unless there is a significant bug(for example a program that >always lose on time or always search depth 1 at blitz and it is not the case >with Hiarcs). > >I also see no reason to suspect that Hiarcs8 earns more from time before the >match(unless you compare it with Hiarcs7.32 that had bugs for long time >control). > > >I think that as someone from Israel it is better if you ask the question if >Junior,Genesis or Movei earn more from time relative to other engines. > >I suspect that Movei earns more from time than the english program monarch(both >programs are free winboard programs) but I am not sure because I have not enough >data to know. > >Both programs play in the 5th division and movei has 9.5/14 when monarch has >7/14(movei beated monarch in the match between them 1.5-.5). > >I may get more data about the difference between them at 40/40 when the >tournament is finished. > >It may be interesting if somebody can do a tournament with both programs at 1 >minute/40 moves(I suspect that Monarch is better at that time control but I have >not enough data to be sure). > >Uri Yes, I DO ask all that. I'm also interested to know which program is the Greatest at long times, or correspondence, analyis, at all, not only relatively. "Relatively" might stop at some stage. Which ever it is, is a good pogram for everything, when Hardware gets much faster. (I don't get the Israeli chess magazine anymore. I used to get it a long time ago. I didn't know about the freeware engines). S.Taylor
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