Author: Uri Blass
Date: 00:59:54 06/02/02
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On June 02, 2002 at 03:56:46, Uri Blass wrote: >On June 01, 2002 at 19:54:20, stuart taylor wrote: > >>On June 01, 2002 at 19:36:36, Uri Blass wrote: >> >>>On June 01, 2002 at 18:05:10, stuart taylor wrote: >>> >>>>On May 31, 2002 at 18:27:58, Ron Langeveld wrote: >>>> >>>>>On May 31, 2002 at 06:50:56, stuart taylor wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>For me, the experiment is over. Hiarcs does not look especially great at higher >>>>>>time controls. Even if it would win a match like this (although it is looking a >>>>>>bit doubtful) it is clear that it does not excell at this time allowance. >>>>>> Maybe at an hour per move it would, but the indications for that are also >>>>>>nothing special, as this is not showing any movement in that direction either. >>>>>> >>>>>>So, in spite of the one or two brilliances which Hiarcs 8.0 might be capable >>>>>>of, as written about in Uniaks article, I don't know if I want to buy it for >>>>>>that alone. >>>>>>S.Taylor >>>>> >>>>>Too bad you are only looking at "statistics" from 5 (?) games instead of using >>>>>your own knowledge of chess in order to evaluate what Hiarcs' strongpoints are. >>>>>Imho it is not the tournament book, because that really sucks, so for starters >>>>>it should have been replaced. >>>> >>>>With the results starting off like this, it is hard to believe that Hiarcs will >>>>have atleast 75% wins over Fritz even after 1000 games. >>> >>>I could tell you it before the match. >>> >>>It is hard to believe that a top program that does not get at least 60% at blitz >>>against the top programs can suddenly get more than 75% at long time control. >>> >>>I believe that there are programs that earn more from time but the difference is >>>usually small unless there is a significant bug(for example a program that >>>always lose on time or always search depth 1 at blitz and it is not the case >>>with Hiarcs). >>> >>>I also see no reason to suspect that Hiarcs8 earns more from time before the >>>match(unless you compare it with Hiarcs7.32 that had bugs for long time >>>control). >>> >>> >>>I think that as someone from Israel it is better if you ask the question if >>>Junior,Genesis or Movei earn more from time relative to other engines. >>> >>>I suspect that Movei earns more from time than the english program monarch(both >>>programs are free winboard programs) but I am not sure because I have not enough >>>data to know. >>> >>>Both programs play in the 5th division and movei has 9.5/14 when monarch has >>>7/14(movei beated monarch in the match between them 1.5-.5). >>> >>>I may get more data about the difference between them at 40/40 when the >>>tournament is finished. >>> >>>It may be interesting if somebody can do a tournament with both programs at 1 >>>minute/40 moves(I suspect that Monarch is better at that time control but I have >>>not enough data to be sure). >>> >>>Uri >> >>Yes, I DO ask all that. >>I'm also interested to know which program is the Greatest at long times, or >>correspondence, analyis, at all, not only relatively. "Relatively" might stop at >>some stage. >>Which ever it is, is a good pogram for everything, when Hardware gets much >>faster. >>(I don't get the Israeli chess magazine anymore. I used to get it a long time >>ago. I didn't know about the freeware engines). >>S.Taylor > >The israeli free programs are not mentioned in the israeli chess magazine > >Here is a link for the divisions: > >http://home.hccnet.nl/leo.dijksman/index.html <snipped> >Some comments: >Both Movei and Monarch played in the 5th division and were promoted. The second Israeli free engine is Genesis and I mentioned Monarch only because of the comparison about earning from time. I do not think that Movei earns more from time than Genesis. Uri
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