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Subject: Re: Test Position Revisited

Author: Joseph Merolle

Date: 20:46:45 06/02/02

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On June 02, 2002 at 22:32:25, Dana Turnmire wrote:

>--  --  --  --  --  --  --  --
>--  --  --  --  --  --  --  --
>--  --  --  --  --  --  BK  --
>--  --  BP  --  BP  --  --  --
>--  --  WP  --  WP  --  WK  --
>--  --  --  WN  --  --  --  --
>--  --  --  --  --  --  --  --
>BB  --  --  --  --  --  --  --
>
>Here is the test position found in "The Mammouth Book of Chess."
>
>1Nxc5?
>
>This obvious, materialistic move throws away the win.  White's c-pawn cannot be
>advanced to the queening square without the help of the king, but this allows
>Black to counter by attacking the e-pawn.  White should not take the c-pawn, but
>instead make progress on the kingside by manoeuvring his knight.

>
>I tested Chess Genius 3 and after almost 8 hours it still did not avoid the
>losing move.  Can any of the modern programs avoid the losing move?  If not
>would endgame tablebases help?



Hi,

My programs Fritz 7008 , Shreddder 6.02 , tiger 14 , gambit tiger  on a 300 mhz
256 ram all reject night takes c5 in about a sec flat. Genius 3 is an out dated
program, I dont even think it has hash tables let alone end game tables which
greatly improves a programs end game. My sugestion is to up grade to a new
engine. The concept that programs cant play end games or are material hungry as
you said was turned into a misconception around 1995. ( for the most part)
P.S Fritz 5.32 looked at night takes c5 for about 2.5 secounds however all
programs find k G5-f5 with a +4.0 eval :-)

Regards Joseph





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