Author: Vincent Diepeveen
Date: 02:59:17 06/03/02
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On June 03, 2002 at 03:52:21, Uri Blass wrote: Yes the discussion is nonsense about dual. Fritz didn't play Tiger regrettably. Nevertheless congratulations to Frans Morsch. I saw soon it would win against insomniac last round, so i offered with a pawn up a draw against Stefan (Shredder), who couldn't refuse of course with a pawn down. That secured my 2nd place. We didn't know at that time that Shredder would be 3d then, as many other games were still playing and it was unclear what would happen with the sum of opponents. It initially even looked bad for Stefan to get 3d. Every program is getting search depths nowadays which are huge. Like even insomniac gets easily 15 ply each move. Shredder 15-19 ply each move. Even TheKing nowadays gets 12 ply (used to get 9 ply sometimes at the same hardware), also a big improvement. DIEP with 10-13 ply was the program with one of the smallest search depths, but don't forget that both The King and DIEP are not exactly big forward pruners. Fritz, Shredder and all these programs seem to forward prune. Many moves a 12 ply search depth from DIEP said more about the coming moves that would get played than a 18 ply search depth from Shredder did. Unless you reach search depths < 10 ply, nowadays search depth/hardware is no excuse simply to lose or win a game. In this case it is funny that the first 3 programs were all dual running programs. Nevertheless thanks for the compliments Jorge! >On June 02, 2002 at 21:08:35, Jorge Pichard wrote: > >>I consider Diep the winner here. > > >Do you say that Dual 2000 is more than 2 times faster than Dual 1200? > >I know that Mhz means nothing and this is the reason that I ask. >If the hardware of Fritz was exactly 2 times faster than the hardware of diep >then even after considering the hardware I consider Fritz as the program with >the best result. > >I believe that a point worth slightly more than doubling the speed. > >I believe that most players will be happy to have a deal to add them one point >in the end of the tournament and play with hardware that is 2 times slower. > >Uri
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